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Nov 6, 2013 - 5:46 PM
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Mike_H
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from Doug Adams-
http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23304&page=40
Shore wrote every note you'll hear, same as ever. He writes themes away from picture, then writes the actual compositions to picture. It's the same process he's always used.
At the same time, he supervised the orchestration and the recording. This is a newer part process, however, he's implemented it to a lesser degree on his last couple of projects (going all the way back to Hugo), so it's not entirely new. No one noted a significant difference in sound then, and no one will notice one now.
Does the NZSO sound like a different ensemble to discerning ears? Sure, a bit -- but no more so than the sound of the LPO changed over the years as membership changed. The ensemble that played FOTR wasn't exactly the same as the ensemble that played TTT, etc. If you picked up on this, you'll notice a slightly different sound to the group. If you didn't notice this, you won't notice anything here. The engineers, etc. are all Middle-earth vets, so they've made sure the sound flows seamlessly.
Does the conducting change the sound? Well, not really, to be honest. Shore's principal job as a session conductor is to make sure that the ensemble understands the overall concept. So Shore worked with Pope through much of the summer -- and continuing through the fall -- to make sure he understood the concept. A session conductor is obviously not playing with tempo or even with interpretation, because that messes with the sync and the mix. It's a different gig. Even most of the balance comes from the ears in the booth.
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Nov 7, 2013 - 11:09 AM
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SchiffyM
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I don't buy it. Considering the history of successfully writing,orchestrating, conducting, and producing scores for four complete movies and 15 hours of music, all of a sudden they are changing techniques?
You know, maybe Shore has decided to trade a bit of control for some of his life. He was 55 when he did the first "Lord of the Rings." He's 67 now. Not old, but maybe at a time in his life where he's earned the right to say "I can oversee somebody else doing the grunt work of orchestration and make it sound the same without having to do it all myself."
Of course, I know nothing. But I find that, typically, the real stories behind moves like this are much more mundane than those of us who spend too much time thinking about them tend to believe.
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Nov 7, 2013 - 2:03 PM
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DougAdams
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"Doug has no reason not to be straightforward about things" What are you talking about? Shore published his book!
This is not some grand conspiracy, this is film music which the general public doesn't care about in the least. I also know from people involved that Hobbit 1 was a clusterf@#k and we can hear it in the final film.
Especially with the history of the huge success of LOTR, this doesn't make sense. This is the vehicle that made him famous. It's his Godfather, his Star Wars. It's like John Williams is doing Star Wars but not going to be attending the recording sessions because of "scheduling conflicts."
Shore loves to talk about doing his own orchestrations and conducting. All of a sudden it's not important ("It's a technician's job"). I believe Tolkien is so important to him and I think this straightforward "Music by Howard Shore" is a compromise. He writes the themes and that's it. A compromise between the great success of LORT and a relationship that since King Kong just doesn't really work.
Hi Richard,
I have a copy of Shore's handwritten Smaug sketches for every composition in the score sitting next to me on the desk at the moment. Themes and full cues, the whole shooting match. Conspiracy theories--no matter how large or small--hold no water here.
You are, of course, free to assume I'm being dishonest ... though I'm not sure why I would be. The LOTR book is a done deal and I get no royalties from The Hobbit at all. In fact, my only Hobbit deals have been with WaterTower, not Shore, and they're all upfront, one-time-only payments.
My Smaug invoices are already done. The end; I get nothing more.
I'm not sure why I'm posting my financial info on a film music message board, but hey, why not ... At any rate, I'm in no one's pocket.
Peace,
Doug Adams
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Um, I'm not sure why anyone wants to debate with Smaug.
I mean, I've read The Hobbit a lot, and Smaug isn't to be trusted.
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