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Nov 10, 2013 - 11:57 AM
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ToneRow
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Here's my compilation data (so far) of 20th century 'serious' composers of Hungarian lineage. Name Date of Birth Date of Death Kadosa, Pal Sunday, September 06, 1903 Wednesday, March 30, 1983 Seiber, Matyas Thursday, May 04, 1905 Saturday, September 24, 1960 Farkas, Ferenc Friday, December 15, 1905 Tuesday, October 10, 2000 Veress, Sandor Friday, February 01, 1907 Wednesday, March 04, 1992 Rozsa, Miklos Thursday, April 18, 1907 Thursday, July 27, 1995 Mihaly, Andras Wednesday, November 07, 1917 Sunday, September 19, 1993 Jardanyi, Pal Friday, January 30, 1920 Friday, July 29, 1966 Ligeti, Gyorgy Monday, May 28, 1923 June 12th, 2006 Kurtag, Gyorgy Friday, February 19, 1926 Sary, Laszlo Monday, January 01, 1940 Jeney, Zoltan Thursday, March 04, 1943 Eotvos, Peter Sunday, January 02, 1944 Vidovsky, Laszlo Friday, February 25, 1944 Tihanyi, Laszlo 1956 Does any FSM member believe that Miklos Rozsa will be the Hungarian composer remembered the most in posterity? Will, instead, Gyorgy Ligeti be the name most likely to represent musical composition? Do you think the music of Matyas Seiber or Sandor Veress will ever increase in distribution and/or popularity (insofar as absolute music can ever be deemed popular)? Does the conducting career of Peter Eotvos overshadow his compositions? Who has heard the film music of Andras Mihaly or Laszlo Vidovsky?
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Does any FSM member believe that Miklos Rozsa will be the Hungarian composer remembered the most in posterity? We absolutely all do! Never heard of any of those other people.
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I sure hope so! But I'm afraid all of them will be forgotten
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I've dipped into Eotvos, Tone. I find it all quite hypnotic and stimulating at the same time. But us (not you) film-music-nutters would only actually ever consider listening to it all (much less buying it) if it were the score for a horror film. Such are we (me).
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Nov 10, 2013 - 5:57 PM
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Ludwig van
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Does any FSM member believe that Miklos Rozsa will be the Hungarian composer remembered the most in posterity? Will, instead, Gyorgy Ligeti be the name most likely to represent musical composition? Good questions. Probably right now, more people have heard of Ligeti than Rozsa, but posterity has a funny way of changing who's remembered the most. In the classical world, Franz Schubert was very little known during his lifetime (hell, his monumental 9th symphony wasn't even played until years after his death!), but has since become one of the best-known composers of early Romanticism. Conversely, big stars can fade with time. Georg Philipp Telemann, for example, was huge during the Baroque period but has since been superseded by Bach and Handel. (If you're saying "who the heck was Telemann" right now, you're proving my point.) Classical music has the advantage of music programs around the world that teach students the names of "important" composers. Film music is only just now starting to gain steam in music programs, but I think it will be some time before it makes its way into standard textbooks, if that indeed happens. So at present, most people who know the names of film composers have probably gone out of their way to learn them, whereas most students who take music courses will learn about Ligeti. So Ligeti probably wins. But we all know who the best Hungarian composer of the 20th century was.
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Probably right now, more people have heard of Ligeti than Rozsa, but posterity has a funny way of changing who's remembered the most. ... Classical music has the advantage of music programs around the world that teach students the names of "important" composers. Film music is only just now starting to gain steam in music programs, but I think it will be some time before it makes its way into standard textbooks, if that indeed happens. So at present, most people who know the names of film composers have probably gone out of their way to learn them, whereas most students who take music courses will learn about Ligeti. So Ligeti probably wins. But we all know who the best Hungarian composer of the 20th century was. I own CD recordings of almost all of Ligeti's compositions, but Lontano, Atmospheres, Requiem and Lux Aeterna remain the only ones that I really ever listen to. At any rate, unless there's a sudden decline in interest in 20th century cinema in the 21st century, more people will be exposed to the music of Miklos Rozsa than that of Gyorgy Ligeti. It must be remembered that Ligeti's music came into prominence in the late '60s and '70s very much as a result of his music being prominently featured in the films "2001: a space odyssey" and "The Shining."
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Nov 11, 2013 - 4:46 PM
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Alfachrger
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My vote is for Ligeti. http://www.gyorgy-ligeti.com/ performances: 11/11/2013 Concert Românesc for Orchestra Tonkünstler-Orchester NiederAustria Conductor: Hugh Wolff Festspielhaus, St. Pölten, Austria 12/11/2013 Concert Românesc for Orchestra Tonkünstler-Orchester NiederAustria Conductor: Hugh Wolff Musikverein, Wien, Austria 14/11/2013 Arc-en-ciel (Étude 5 from "Études pour piano, Premier livre") En Suspens (Étude 11 from "Études pour piano, Deuxième livre") Concerto for Piano and Orchestra Asko|Schönberg Ensemble Conductor: Reinbert de Leeuw Muziekgebouw, Amsterdam, Netherlands 15/11/2013 Concerto for Violin and Orchestra Deutsche Radio Philharmonie Saarbrücken Kaiserslautern Conductor: Zsolt Nagy Großer Sendesaal, Saarbrücken, Germany 15/11/2013 Concert Românesc for Orchestra Norrköpings Symfoniorkester Conductor: Antony Hermus Konserthus, Stockholm, Sweden 16/11/2013 Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes Conductor: Frank Beermann Oper, Chemnitz, Germany 16/11/2013 Melodies for Orchestra LandesJugendEnsemble Neue Musik Schleswig-Holstein Radialsystem, Berlin, Germany 16/11/2013 Lux Aeterna Conductor: Ron Dirk Entleutner Gewandhaus, Leipzig, Germany 17/11/2013 Concert Românesc for Orchestra Sinfonietta 92 Conductor: Catherine Larsen-Maguire Grunewaldkirche, Berlin, Germany 17/11/2013 String Quartet No 2 St Pauls Hall, Huddersfield, England 21/11/2013 Concert Românesc for Orchestra Uppsala Kammarorkester Conductor: Paul Mägi Konsert & Kongress. Stora salen, Uppsala, Sweden 23/11/2013 Atmosphères for large Orchestra Orqueta Sinfonica Portuguesa Conductor: Peter Rundel Porto, Portugal 24/11/2013 Concert Românesc for Orchestra Sinfonietta 92 Conductor: Catherine Larsen-Maguire Philharmonie, Kammermusiksaal, Berlin, Germany 25/11/2013 Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists neophon ensemble Conductor: Konstantin Heuer Hochschule für Musik und Theater, Rostock; Germany 28/11/2013 Concerto for Violin and Orchestra San Fransisco Popyphony for Orchestra BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra Conductor: Ilan Volkov Royal Festival Hall, London, England 29/11/2013 Poème Symphonique Anhaltische Philharmonie Dessau Conductor: Daniel Carlberg Bauhausbühne, Dessau, Germany 30/11/2013 Mysteries of the Macabre Britten Sinfonia Saffron Hall, Saffron Walden, England 02/12/2013 Poème Symphonique Anhaltische Philharmonie Dessau Conductor: Daniel Carlberg Bauhausbühne, Dessau, Germany 02/12/2013 Concerto for Piano and Orchestra ensemble oktopus für musik der moderne Conductor: Konstantia Gourzi Reaktorhalle, München, Germany 04/12/2013 Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“ Philharmonie, Kammermusiksaal, Berlin, Germany 04/12/2013 Concerto for Piano and Orchestra Detmolder Kammerorchester Conductor: Alfredo Perl Konzerthaus der Hochschule für Musik, Detmold, Germany 04/12/2013 String Quartet Nr. 2 Sonata for Violoncello solo Ramifications for string orchestra or 12 solo strings Schauspielhaus, Stuttgart, Germany 08/12/2013 Continuum Two Studies for Organ Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14 Nationaltheater, München, Germany 08/12/2013 Sonata for Viola solo Philharmonie, Essen, Germany 13/12/2013 Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists Orchestre des Lauréats du Conservatoire Conductor: Zsolt Nagy Conservatoire, Salle M. Fleuret, Paris, France 14/12/2013 Continuum Two Studies for Organ Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14 Nationaltheater, München, Germany 19/12/2013 String Quartet Nr. 2 Sonata for Violoncello solo Ramifications for string orchestra or 12 solo strings Schauspielhaus, Stuttgart, Germany 31/12/2013 Articulation University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland 10/01/2014 Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes Conductor: Frank Beermann Oper, Chemnitz, Germany, Germany 12/01/2014 Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes Conductor: Frank Beermann Oper, Chemnitz, Germany, Germany 14/01/2014 Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes Conductor: Frank Beermann Oper, Chemnitz, Germany, Germany 18/01/2014 Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes Conductor: Frank Beermann Oper, Chemnitz, Germany 18/01/2014 String Quartet Nr. 1, Métamorphoses nocturnes Cité de la musique, Amphithéâtre, Paris, France 22/01/2014 Concerto for Violin and Orchestra Münchner Philharmoniker Conductor: Philippe Jordan Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany 23/01/2014 Concerto for Violin and Orchestra Münchner Philharmoniker Conductor: Philippe Jordan Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany 24/01/2014 Lontano for large Orchestra hr-Sinfonieorchester Conductor: David Afkham hr-Sendesaal, Frankfurt/Main, Germany 25/01/2014 Concerto for Violin and Orchestra Münchner Philharmoniker Conductor: Philippe Jordan Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany 26/01/2014 Concerto for Violin and Orchestra Münchner Philharmoniker Conductor: Philippe Jordan Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany 05/02/2014 Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“ Burghof, Forbach, France 06/02/2014 Trio Hall One, King's Place, London, England 07/02/2014 Concert Românesc for Orchestra Bruckner Orchester Linz Conductor: Daniel Spaw Stadttheater, Wels, Austria 14/02/2014 Clocks and Clouds for 12 voice womens’ choir and Orchestra NDR Sinfonieorchester - Damen des NDR Chores Conductor: Brad Lubman Rolf-Liebermann-Studio, Hamburg, Germany 15/02/2014 Három Weöres-dal (Three songs based on texts by Sándor Weöres for voice and piano) NDR Chor Conductor: Philipp Ahmann Rolf-Liebermann-Studio, Hamburg, Germany 22/02/2014 Concerto for Piano and Orchestra Ensemble intercontemporain Conductor: Pablo Heras-Casado Auditorium, Salle Dutilleux, Bordeaux, France 25/02/2014 Musica ricercata per pianoforte Philharmonie, Salle de Musique de Chambre, Luxembourg, Luxemburg 04/03/2014 String Quartet Nr. 1, Métamorphoses nocturnes Philharmonie, Salle de Musique de Chambre, Luxembourg, Luxemburg 05/03/2014 String Quartet Nr. 1, Métamorphoses nocturnes Wigmore Hall, London, England 06.03.0214 Concert Românesc for Orchestra Philharmonisches Orchester Plauen-Zwickau Conductor: Tobias Engeli Neue Welt, Zwickau, Germany 07/03/2014 Concert Românesc for Orchestra Philharmonisches Orchester Plauen-Zwickau Conductor: Tobias Engeli Vogtlandtheater, Plauen, Germany 15/03/2014 Hungarian Rock Chaconne Poème Symphonique Conductor: Peter Eötvös Auditorium Rainier III, Monte Carlo, Monaco 20/03/2014 Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“ Milton Court Concert Hall, London, England 21/03/2014 Melodies for Orchestra Bamberger Symphoniker Conductor: Jonathan Nott Forum, Leverkusen, Germany 25/03/2014 Continuum Rolf-Liebermann-Studio, Hamburg, Germany 06/04/2014 Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“ Musiikkitalo, Helsinki, Finland 10.04.0214 Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“ Nordische Botschaften, Felleshus, Berlin, Germany 11/04/2014 Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists Ensemble intercontemporain Conductor: Bruno Mantovani Cité de la musique, Salle des concerts, Paris, France 12/04/2014 Continuum Two Studies for Organ Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14 Nationaltheater, München, Germany 19/04/2014 Atmosphères for large orchestra Berliner Philharmoniker Conductor: Simon Rattle Festspielhaus, Baden Baden, Germany 20/04/2014 Atmosphères for large orchestra Berliner Philharmoniker Conductor: Simon Rattle Festspielhaus, Baden Baden, Germany 01/05/2014 Atmosphères for large orchestra SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks Conductor: Mariss Jansons Philharmonie, Munich, Germany 01/05/2014 Arc-en-ciel (Étude 5 from "Études pour piano, Premier livre") Asko|Schönberg Ensemble Conductor: Reinbert de Leeuw Muziekgebouw, Amsterdam, Netherlands 01/05/2014 Concert Românesc for Orchestra Lontano for large Orchestra SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg Conductor: François-Xavier Roth Rheingoldhalle, Mainz, Germany 02/05/2014 Concert Românesc for Orchestra SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg Conductor: François-Xavier Roth Graf-Zeppelin-Haus, Friedrichshafen, Germany 02/05/2014 Atmosphères for large orchestra SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks Conductor: Mariss Jansons Philharmonie, Munich, Germany 03/05/2014 Clocks and Clouds for 12 voice womens’ choir and Orchestra Bamberger Symphoniker - SWR Vokalensemble Stuttgart Conductor: Jonathan Nott Philharmonie, Köln, Germany 04/05/2014 San Francisco Polyphony WDR Sinfonieorchester Köln Conductor: Jonathan Stockhammer Philharmonie, Köln, Germany 07/05/2014 Concerto for Violin and Orchestra Ensemble intercontemporain Conductor: Matthias Pintscher Philharmonie, Köln, Germany 09/05/2014 Concert Românesc for Orchestra Lontano for large Orchestra SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg Conductor: François-Xavier Roth Konzerthaus, Freiburg, Germany 11.05.0214 Lontano for large Orchestra SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg Conductor: François-Xavier Roth Philharmonie, Köln, Germany 14/05/2014 Atmosphères for large Orchestra Robert-Schumann-Philharmonie Conductor: Pedro Halffter Caro Stadthalle, Chemnitz, Germany 15/05/2014 Atmosphères for large Orchestra Robert-Schumann-Philharmonie Conductor: Pedro Halffter Caro Stadthalle, Chemnitz, Germany 18/05/2014 Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“ Turm der Ginsburg, Hilchenbach, Germany 18/05/2014 Atmosphères for large orchestra SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks Conductor: Mariss Jansons Carnegie Hall, New York, USA 29/05/2014 Études pour piano Premier livre Études pour piano Deuxième livre Études pour piano Troisième livre, cahier I Wigmore Hall, London, England 05/06/2014 Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“ Staatstheater, Darmstadt, Germany 26/06/2014 Ramifications for string orchestra or 12 solo strings Stuttgarter Kammerorchester Conductor: Matthias Foremny Liederhalle, Stuttgart, Germany 05/07/2014 Continuum Two Studies for Organ Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14 Nationaltheater, München, Germany
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Yes, but only one concert outside of Europe (in Carnegie Hall), featuring the relatively familiar (to U.S. audiences) orchestral work Atmosphères, and played not by an American orchestra, but by a German orchestra (SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks). Ligeti remains very much a European phenomenon.
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well, I know who will be the best remembered JEWISH Hungarian composer (no, t'aint Mike) bruce
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Here's my compilation data (so far) of 20th century 'serious' composers of Hungarian lineage. ... Ligeti, Gyorgy Monday, May 28, 1923 June 12th, 2006 Whatever you say. Though I consider Ligeti more a Romanian composer than Hungarian since he was born and studied in Transylvania. He was a vampire too!
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