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 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 4:10 AM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

I've recently watched Chris Marker's experimental short movie (that inspired Gilliam's 12 MONKEYS) and found the music quite good. However it's function was rather conventional mood music - I don't say that this is bad.

I'm aware that there are a few recordings (LP, CD) released with Duncan's music (especially a Marco Polo recording) but I couldn't find any specific information about the pieces used in Marker's LA JETEE.

Now, here come my questions: Is it known what selections (titles, please) Marker had chosen from Duncan's stock music? Have they been released somewhere?


BTW, an interesting article on Duncan can be found on the Robert Farnon Website:

http://www.rfsoc.org.uk/tduncan.shtml

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

Sorry I can't help you but I hope someone has answers--I loved the music used in La Jetee. It's one of the few movies I'd heard about for decades which did not disappoint. (Though I tried, I couldn't find the point where there is "movement" or the illusion of movement.)

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 4:59 AM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

(Though I tried, I couldn't find the point where there is "movement" or the illusion of movement.)


I'm not a 100% but I got the impression that one short segment of 2-3 sec. actually was shot as a film when you see the woman waking up (18:40, DVD Pal R2).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

I'll check it out again sometime, thanks for the info. I've been told it's as you describe, but I've read that it's just the quick juxtaposition of a couple of photos which are almost the same but not quite, so it just LOOKS like movement.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 5:57 AM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

I've read that it's just the quick juxtaposition of a couple of photos which are almost the same but not quite, so it just LOOKS like movement.

Congratulations, friend! You've just stumbled onto the definition of a motion picture!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)



Congratulations, friend! You've just stumbled onto the definition of a motion picture!


I'm guessing you haven't seen La Jetee, because if you did, you would realize how stupid that answer makes you look in the case of this particular film. In this particular case, as the other poster mentions, the difference is between a 2-3 sec. bit of film (48-72 frames or "photos")and my belief that the moment in question is created ny the quicker cutting between TWO photos in what is a motion picture that only shows a series of still photos AS stills throughout.

Thus, you're either ignorant of the most famous technical aspect of Chris Marker's film, or...well, I think that's the obvious answer, now isn't it?

Next time you try to be a smartass, try harder to be the "smart" part and less the other. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

I was just making a little joke, hence the smiley face, you hardass. I've seen the film and knew exactly what you meant.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

I'm not a 100% but I got the impression that one short segment of 2-3 sec. actually was shot as a film when you see the woman waking up (18:40, DVD Pal R2).

Yes, that is exactly right. You're obviously quite an . . . observant-ass.

It's a seemless moment if you're not looking for it, and can be a breathtaking one if you are.

David

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   moviescore   (Member)

FYI, there are four tracks of Trevor Duncan's music included on our PIANOTUNER OF EARTHQUAKES album - stunning music!

Check it out at http://www.moviescoremedia.com/pianotuner.html

Cheers,

mikael

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   Mr Drive   (Member)

The music where the man goes into the future is is called "Vastness of Space", available as a (legal) download. See: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056119/board/nest/16537564

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   TOR The Wrestler From The Past   (Member)

http://music.booseytracks.com/search/html/musiksuche.php
You can only download it for a fee if you're a "Professional" user - I guess you have to prove you're using these cues for movies or something.
You can play cues, but at some point the site kept asking me for a user name/password. Saving the page won't save the cue to your computer. You'd have to record it with software while it's playing.
At the bottom left corner, click "Advanced Search." From list, click on "Composer Search" and find Duncan's name. A bunch of cds will be listed. At the top right of the window is a checkbox that says "Show tracks" - this will parse out the Duncan tracks from each of the 19 cds. This might not be accurate. For example, it shows only 34 from 51 tracks from "Final Frontiers" cd, but the cd is all by Duncan...
The JETEE cue in the musuem is called "The Girl - Theme." On one of the 3 "Original 1950s Background Music" cds - CAVCD 222 Historical Dramas.
The JETEE cue when he's wandering around with the woman is called "The Girl - Prologue."
The JETEE cue when he goes into the future is called "Vastness of space" on the "Final Frontiers" cd.
I haven't figured out the other (non-choral) cues because of the site limitations.

http://www.moviescoremedia.com/pianotuner.html
See moviescore's link above to sound samples of the 2 "Girl" cues which are on the PIANOTUNER OF EARTHQUAKES cd.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

A masterpiece and probably the only short film to have achieved such stature.
The girl in bed moving stands out clearly- to my eyes at least.

brm

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 10:58 PM   
 By:   TOR The Wrestler From The Past   (Member)

JETEE is being re-released by Criterion in June, with selectable english and french language. Unfortunately, no music-only track:
http://www.criterion.com/asp/coming_soon.asp

If you click on the link above, you'll also see they're releasing the legendary "Ace in the Hole"(Billy Wilder) in July.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2007 - 12:24 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Hey capndunsel, many thanks for that info. Indeed, the Duncan is quite lovely. There's quite a bit of Quatermass music there too, for those interested. You'll know it when you play it.

The Boosey and Hawkes site is well worth a browse. People might even find some surprises. There are some Chris Young tracks that I can only describe as Capricorn Two! Seek and ye shall find.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2007 - 4:01 AM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

Thank you all for the great input. A very special thank to CapnDunsel!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2007 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

A masterpiece and probably the only short film to have achieved such stature.
The girl in bed moving stands out clearly- to my eyes at least.

brm


Oh, I don't know about that - I think The Red Balloon is a masterpiece and is genuinely thought of as such.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2007 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

Oh, I don't know about that -

Have you seen it, Bruce?

I think it's at least an inspired compilation of fascinating ideas (death scene/future & past come together), original visuals (photographs) and not so original stock pictures combined with laconic narration, scarce 'dialogue' and (Duncan's) stock music. It's a often sketchy piece of work. Well worth of to produce a spoof version.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2007 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   TOR The Wrestler From The Past   (Member)

For new JETEE fans, here's some trivia: the scene when he points outside the rings of a cut-up tree was taken from Hitchcock's VERTIGO.
Someone has claimed it was intended to be a normal motion picture, but the film was damaged so Marker salvaged it in an arty way. The film is very much like a storyboard for a real film, so this could be true.

Many Trevor Duncan cues were used in "Plan 9 from Outer Space." Here's an article by Paul Mandell who reassembled them for music-only cd:
http://wald.heim.at/redwood/510196/soundtracks/P9FSM.html

'It’s difficult to imagine the reaction of these eminent composers upon discovering their work as underscore for tacky films like Plan 9 from Outer Space. They toiled in anonymity, writing music worthy of much greater ends. Trevor Duncan, with his wry humor, waxes philosophical about all this. "Ed Wood. Oh, well. One is grateful for the pennies."'

Here's a detailed article about the video and music restoration done on the three BBC Quatermass serials (which were released on dvd):
http://www.planet625.com/quatermass/merchandise/bbcrestoration/index.htm

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2015 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The choral piece was identified and released. It's a "popular" piece and you can find a rendition on youtube.
Title: Krestu Tvoyemu, AKA Tropaire en l’honneur de la Sainte Croix, AKA Troparion to the Holy Cross.
Composer: Piotr Goncharov
Found the title/composer when googling in this essay by Sarah Cooper:
Montage, Militancy, Metaphysics: Chris Marker and André Bazin
Googled the music director's name Spassky (from the film credit) with the track title and found the film version on LP:
http://www.discogs.com/Ch%C5%93urs-De-La-Cathedrale-Orthodoxe-Russe-De-Paris-Piotr-V-Spassky-Musique-Liturgique-Russe/master/434236
As far I can tell, only El Records (Cherry Red label) has released this track on CD, along with a few relevent Trevor Duncan cues in 2014:
http://shop.cherryred.co.uk/el-exd.asp?id=4472
Available to order from many online stores; some have sound samples.

 
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