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Hi everyone! Of course my apologies for the absence, and I am trying to get back on the horse as they say. I want to thank you all who have reached out asking if things were ok and what happened to cause this absence. They were quite a few things going on in my personal that detracted from music, and frankly I felt guilty that I had nothing "music related" to share. So to get back on it, I'd like to share  an ongoing conversation with you, as it was the inspiration to blog here again. Thanks to Dave Healey  for his permission to post our emails. Dave is a friend I met online at the EW Forum and he sent me an email the other day...

Note:This conversation is still ongoing and unedited, which explains any abrupt endings. I will continue to post more as it continues. 

 

 August 24 at 5:37am
Hi Todd, 

How are you? What's happened to your wonderful blog?

I am doing some market research for a film music company i'm developing and was wondering if I could be a bit cheeky and ask how much a top class composer like yourself would roughly charge per day for an orchestral score? and Also on average how many projects do you work on per year?

I appreciate your busy and I am very greatful if you find time to answer this. 

Best Regards
David Healey.
 
 August 24 at 10:50pm
I'm hanging in there Dave, thanks for asking. I am truly soory for being blog-less these days. There been a couple of reasons. A I started a new dayjob and had to move..again for starters. Then I lost out on several projects which got me down. My last few blog on there started to have a dismal vibe which I didnot want to prtray and I started feeling guilty that I was writing about nothing. I was a little depressed...slightly uninspired to say the least. I just felt like I didn't have anything to offer that actually pertained to music. I really should get back to it...you are not the first to ask and I really feel terrible about it.

I have not given up of course, but I have been slowed down. the new job takes up most of my time during the day so my composing is relegated to days off or a couple hours at night. 

So thats that in a nutshell. I am happy to share any info I may or may not have and by the way, thanks so much for the compliment of top class composer. I know I can be if I ever get the chance, so until I get the chance lets call it potential.

You know it funny as I write this, I am thinking I can just post this whole conversation as the Return of the Blog!!! Whatdya think..lol

As far as your market research, I'd be interested in hearing more of what you are planning, in private of course, but will share the little i know on the topic. I did som of the same research when trying to figure what to charge for myself...it ain't easy to figure!! 

I have heard ALL sorts of numbers but from what I have found is this.

--When starting out...you will work for free. Money will be discussed but that doesn't always mean you end up getting it.

--There is also a pecking order...the more you do, the more you get...generally. Also the rates are tied directly to the budget generally. From what I read...2-3% of the budget for the composer, at least for indy film...so 1 mil film budget+20-30 grand for the composer..and this is the fee only for the composer..additional budget must be figured for recording ,productiomn, post production etc.

UNTIL....you become a "big boy" like HZ or JNH or JW, in which you can get upward of 3 million as you fee, plus the other stuff. (Heck I saw a line budget for "The Village" that put aside like 40 grand for "MIDI file conversion" AND they PAID n engineeron top of that to actually DO it)

I forget the link I found it in , but if you search "film budget" and look for "The Village" you can find what I did..it was the only one I could find publicly, and was amazing to read. Incidentally, on that film, James Newton Howard was the HIGHEST paid person after the producers, and M.Night, (aside from actors) at 3 million .

As for me...I did 2 indy features, a short film and backing ground music for SEC Sports/XOS Digital highlight films last year. Also a couple of indy trailers, music for local dance studios but thats about it... I lost three other films within a month early this year, yeah one was for Lucasarts and I was up against Howard Shore to score it..the movie got shit canned..i was not thrilled, since Shore ultimately could not do it..it was mine. Now THAT would have been good on the blog!!! LOL

Ask me anything you'd like and with your permission I would love to post this on the blog to crank her up again...I will edit it of course. Let me know...

I am trying to get inspired again and to find projects, but it aint' easy. I have made contact with a guy who edits trailer and will be doing one soon for him. Also, my filmmaker friend is in LA mow and really making strides and that will help...we are pitching Dreamworks on a project they are interested in...Yaaaayyyy..budget!!!!!

I hope that answer some stuff for you, and I'll be waiting for the reply :)))))))

Take care,
Todd

ps...tell me a little abut yourself...background, blah blah ..you know ;)
 
 August 25 at 4:20am
Hi thanks for the great answer, I'll have a look at that budget for the village later - sounds interesting. I've asked a couple of people over the last few days about pricing and I seem to be getting similar answers - which is good. 

I emailed David Newman yesterday and to my amazment he replied the same day, I was trying to work on the basis of charging a daily rate but he said I should be charging per project, so I will work out my financial forecasts based on that and then work backward to work out monthly income etc, its a real pain.

Shame about that Lucasarts job although howard shore must be a challenge. Feel free to use this on your blog i'm sure it will make for interesting reading to others. 

A little about me then. I graduated college in 2006 studying computer programming and business, then I went to uni for three years, finished last year with a degree in digital music and computer programming, it was a crap course though essentially teach your self. Then I was unemloyed for about a year but I got chance to work on a couple of student films.

Then In may this year I joined this thing called Digital City Fellowships (they have a website if you're interested) and basically they help small business get off the ground and provide advice and mentoring and its based at my old university so I get to use all there studio gear :D

I have another 2 months to go on the fellowship and im just finalising my business plan and getting the financials sorted. My business idea is basically to set up a small limited company to provide several audio related services for the media industry, mainly composing I hope although I think i will be doing a lot of mixing and sound design as well.

So apart from finishing my bussiness plan and finalising my website im pitching for a few small projects, and might be creating some sound effects for an Iphone app - which i might even get paid for :p

A couple more questions for you, Do you find that less experienced film makers don't see as much value in music, or atleast original music that is made to fit the picture?

Also when you quote for a project how do you decide the total cost. Do you calculate the number of days it will take and double it + expenses or do you do it on a per minute of music type system?

Thanks again.

Dave.
 
 
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