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 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 8:02 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

I was keen to revisit this 1993 film and pay closer attention to the score, given that it was neglected among the recent glut of JH expansions and premiere releases.

Now after a recent viewing, I have to admit that I count it as one of Horner's better efforts, effortlessly transitioning from understated to suspenseful to patriotic (except for pouring on a little too much syrup during the protagonists' farewell); certainly, this is one of the scores that made the most of Horner striking the piano with dissonant, staccato notes during intense moments.

The original album is OOP, and at first glance the program covers most of the major highlights of the score. I say most because it lacks the powerfully dynamic cue that underscores the slightly surreal encounter between Khamel (disguised as an FBI lawyer) and Darby; I was surprised to discover it wasn't included on the album, given the scene's importance.

Just based on memory, I would estimate that a good 10 minutes are also not accounted for, including the pre-end credits music heard when Grantham and Darby collect statements for the article, and the film version of "Planting The Bomb". Certainly, among those moments not released, the porno source music must have been composed by Horner wink

Ironically, the action cues toward the end increased my disdain for Clear and Present Danger, making me more aware of how derivative the latter score is; the clanging bells in "Woodroom/Finale" are basically lifted from "Garage Chase"! And then imagine my surprise when I learned that large parts of "Garage Chase" copied "Playtronics Break-In" from Sneakers! frown

All that said, it would have been nice if the film had received an isolated score in the early years of the DVD format, similar to Jumanji and Legends Of The Fall

Any thoughts?

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 8:17 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I gotta pull this one out and give it a spin. Been a while. I used to listen to that end title piece a lot. I really like the sound he gets from layering the pianos the way he does in that cue.

I also remember that it came with one of those little Warner bros stickers on the side of the jewel case that you had to break in order to get the cd out.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 8:29 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

Nice detail.

Whatever happened to Big Screen Records anyway?

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 8:30 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

No idea...

It also had a white tray which was fairly unusual at the time.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 8:44 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

No idea...

It also had a white tray which was fairly unusual at the time.


Maybe in Canada it had a white tray, but in America it was the standard dark tray.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 9:29 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Nice detail.

Whatever happened to Big Screen Records anyway?


Over produced and went under. Another casualty of "big distribution" for a "small product." Is now folded into the WEA catalog.

MV

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 9:50 PM   
 By:   Anthony Marose   (Member)

In terms of Big Screen Records, I'd like to see The Pelican Brief and Dennis the Menace remastered and expanded if possible.

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2014 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   whoismatthew   (Member)

I want A Sneakers Expansion before a Pelican Brief Expansion. The lushy stringy stuff is nice but many of us are wanting the low piano rhythms, clashing chords, and tapping clavi combo moments, with the metallic clangings and synth dissonance cutting through it all. But Sneakers is a much more musically entertaining score that was the ground work for what became JH's signature political thriller and suspense and chase music (Pelican Brief, Clear and Present Danger, Ransom, Deep Impact, and I am sure many others) and the melody in Sneakers ultimately was reworked (re-used) in Man Without A Face.

WORK ON SNEAKERS before Pelican Brief.

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2014 - 9:14 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

I want A Sneakers Expansion before a Pelican Brief Expansion. The lushy stringy stuff is nice but many of us are wanting the low piano rhythms, clashing chords, and tapping clavi combo moments, with the metallic clangings and synth dissonance cutting through it all. But Sneakers is a much more musically entertaining score that was the ground work for what became JH's signature political thriller and suspense and chase music (Pelican Brief, Clear and Present Danger, Ransom, Deep Impact, and I am sure many others) and the melody in Sneakers ultimately was reworked (re-used) in Man Without A Face.

WORK ON SNEAKERS before Pelican Brief.


We wanted to do an expanded Sneakers in 2012 but were shot down by Universal. No reason was given. It bummed us and Sony Music out.

Perhaps another label had the rights or they didn't like the cut of our jib. Don't know. frown

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2014 - 9:49 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

I want A Sneakers Expansion before a Pelican Brief Expansion. The lushy stringy stuff is nice but many of us are wanting the low piano rhythms, clashing chords, and tapping clavi combo moments, with the metallic clangings and synth dissonance cutting through it all. But Sneakers is a much more musically entertaining score that was the ground work for what became JH's signature political thriller and suspense and chase music (Pelican Brief, Clear and Present Danger, Ransom, Deep Impact, and I am sure many others) and the melody in Sneakers ultimately was reworked (re-used) in Man Without A Face.

WORK ON SNEAKERS before Pelican Brief.


We wanted to do an expanded Sneakers in 2012 but were shot down by Universal. No reason was given. It bummed us and Sony Music out.

Perhaps another label had the rights or they didn't like the cut of our jib. Don't know. frown

MV



Aww, man! Thanks for trying, though. Maybe Intrada got this one.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Have always loved James Horner's music for "The Pelican Brief" and bought the soundtrack as soon as I saw the movie, which I bought on both DVD and Blu-ray. What I hated about the DVD was that it defaulted to English subtitles when you put it on, and it wasn't until after the long exposition at the beginning that you realized it had subtitles and, for some players, you had to stop the movie and go back and select no subtitles and then start it again from the beginning (it's easier now to do that from our remote). But the Blu-ray, one of the first I bought, didn't have that problem. I can watch that movie again and again and never be bored by it!

I never realized that the soundtrack overlooked some important cues and would love to see an expansion, although, for most of us, the original soundtrack is quite sufficient. Just love the final cue, the 10.37 "Airport Goodbye," which is the cue I play the most these days. And love that it's over 10 1/2 minutes!

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Have always loved James Horner's music for "The Pelican Brief" and bought the soundtrack as soon as I saw the movie, which I bought on both DVD and Blu-ray. What I hated about the DVD was that it defaulted to English subtitles when you put it on, and it wasn't until after the long exposition at the beginning that you realized it had subtitles and, for some players, you had to stop the movie and go back and select no subtitles and then start it again from the beginning (it's easier now to do that from our remote). But the Blu-ray, one of the first I bought, didn't have that problem. I can watch that movie again and again and never be bored by it!

I never realized that the soundtrack overlooked some important cues and would love to see an expansion, although, for most of us, the original soundtrack is quite sufficient. Just love the final cue, the 10.37 "Airport Goodbye," which is the cue I play the most these days. And love that it's over 10 1/2 minutes!


You also didn't mention that you had to flip over the DVD for The Pelican Brief! Like the ol' laserdisc! Goofy! Anyway, the only really substantial cue that's missing from The Pelican Brief is that "Riverwalk" cue. I don't remember there being anything else really memorable (other than the aforementioned gay porn music!).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   Marek7   (Member)

MV, thanks for trying. Question. You said you tried back in 2012. I was curious how this works. If you ask in 2012 does that mean in 213 or 2014 you may get a different answer?Are they clear they don't wish to do it or is it they just don't wish to do it right now? I always wonder how final these decisions are when asked. SNEAKERS is one of my Holy Grails but then again so is PELICAN BRIEF.Thanks again for trying.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Shaun: Re: "You also didn't mention that you had to flip over the DVD for The Pelican Brief!" You're right -- I had forgotten about that! The only other DVD that I can think of that was on a single disc that had to be turned over was "Sleepers," about these boys who later, as adults, go back to the man who had brutalized them when they were in a prison-like reformatory to get their vengeance. The movie is in 2 parts, with them as children and later as adults. But WB foolishly (and very awkwardly) broke it up in the middle of one part rather than the logical breaking point, which never made any sense to me. Yes, one part is longer, but if each can fit on one side, break it up at the end of part 1 and start the other with part 2! Hopefully the Blu-ray doesn't have that problem!

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Marek7: Re your holy grails and "...but then again so is PELICAN BRIEF." There is so little music that's NOT on the soundtrack, I see very little reason to even think of them re-releasing it in an expanded edition. I wish that the great "Shakespeare In Love" soundtrack had included the closing credits cue that has about 30 seconds more music, but I'm not going to waste time pining away for it (I recorded it off the movie onto a CD and then downloaded -- oops -- ripped? -- it!).

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 9:38 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

Forgot to mention that among the missing music is the film version of "Hotel Chase"

We wanted to do an expanded Sneakers in 2012 but were shot down by Universal. No reason was given. It bummed us and Sony Music out.

Perhaps another label had the rights or they didn't like the cut of our jib. Don't know. frown

MV


Damn. Sucks that Universal wouldn't play ball, seeing how Sneakers is a holy grail for some collectors

And interesting tidbit about the fate of Big Screen Records

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

So after re-listening to the OST, and for those that didn't know until now, I think I've figured out the chronological order:

1. Main Title (02:32)
8b. Chasing Gray (1:21-end)
2. The Pelican Brief (03:51)
3. Researching The Brief (01:32)
6. Bourbon Street (04:06)
4. Hotel Chase (04:02) [different opening than the cue used in the film]
5. The Killing (03:17)
8a. Chasing Gray (0:00-1:21)
9. Darby's Emotions (03:37)
7. Planting The Bomb (04:17) [an alternate version of the cue used in the film]
12. Garage Chase (05:00)
11. Morgan's Final Testament (01:49)
13. Airport Goodbye (10:39)

10. Darby's Theme (03:57) [does not appear in the film, according to soundtrackcollector.com]

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

So after re-listening to the OST, and for those that didn't know until now, I think I've figured out the chronological order:

1. Main Title (02:32)
8b. Chasing Gray (1:21-end)
2. The Pelican Brief (03:51)
3. Researching The Brief (01:32)
6. Bourbon Street (04:06)
4. Hotel Chase (04:02) [different opening than the cue used in the film]
5. The Killing (03:17)
8a. Chasing Gray (0:00-1:21)
9. Darby's Emotions (03:37)
7. Planting The Bomb (04:17) [an alternate version of the cue used in the film]
12. Garage Chase (05:00)
11. Morgan's Final Testament (01:49)
13. Airport Goodbye (10:39)

10. Darby's Theme (03:57) [does not appear in the film, according to soundtrackcollector.com]


Pretty sure "Planting The Bomb" in the film was tracked with "Darby's Emotions" while still retaining segments of the original cue.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)


Pretty sure "Planting The Bomb" in the film was tracked with "Darby's Emotions" while still retaining segments of the original cue.


To my ears, the film edit for that scene combined 3 different pieces of music. In the film, it runs something like this:

-First minute and 41 seconds of Planting The Bomb (could be wrong, there might be slight differences in the film mix)

-First 2 minutes and 21 seconds of Darby's Emotions

-unreleased music heard when Darby empties the contents of the box into her purse (probably a 2nd version of Planting The Bomb)

So, my theory is that track 7 on the OST is what Horner originally wrote for the corresponding scene. Then, the sequence might have been recut, and Horner composed a revised version. The director was still not satisfied, and elected to track Darby's Emotions over the scene, plus the revised version of Planting The Bomb

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 7:41 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Guess I'll have to watch the movie again, but the "scoring" of that sequence is Ben Burtt bad.

 
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