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If you care for it, the old "Star Trek V: The Final Frontiere" has the cue "Open the Gates" in which you can hear the metronome ticking away. Personally, I like it and expect to hear it. When LLLR release their 2CD set, the film presentation didn't have it (not unexpected), but they remastered the album and included the original album, but the re-master doesn't have the metronome in that cue. And the old album has more "oomph" in parts.
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Mar 20, 2021 - 8:24 AM
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OnyaBirri
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I'm a completist and was wondering if I should keep the original albums to the Deluxe Editions? My friend The Mutant has already told me to keep the original AIR FORCE ONE, ALONG CAME A SPIDER and U.S. Marshals. But what about the rest of Goldsmith's original albums?
It depends.
With "Planet of the Apes," the LP version was so short, you need the whole score. So you can ditch the album, unless you like the artwork.
On the other hand, "Chinatown" has only about five extra minutes of score, so both the album version and film version fit on one CD, and you're set. Similarly, the film and album versions of "Sebastian" fit on one CD.
As for the "Our Man Flint" and "In Like Flint," you need IMO both the album and film versions.
Of course, many of Goldsmith's greatest scores did not receive LP releases. These include "City of Fear," "Seconds," "Shock Treatment," and his TV scores for "The Twilight Zone."
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Neither. It's removed entirely.
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Apr 24, 2021 - 12:11 PM
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Spymaster
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I can’t remember them all at the moment, Henry. Executive Decision, Runaway and Chain Reaction don’t have anything on the old albums that you need to keep from what I can remember.
Yavar might have more info than me.
At least one cue on the DE of Runaway is faded into the previous / next cue, whereas it's entirely separate on the original CD ("Crazed Robot" I think...) so it's worth keeping the original Runaway for that. The Runaway DE is a bit weird actually, with the extra tracks sounding slightly different / louder than the original ones.
Similarly Gremlins 2 is worth keeping for the separated "Just You Wait"
And "Assembly Line" on the original Small Soldiers goes straight into "Alan's Town" - as it does in the film - whereas the DE presents the cues separately, as per the cut of the film that Goldsmith scored.
There's a cue on Chain Reaction that's expanded by a few seconds on the DE ("Open Door"), so you may want to keep the original CD for the edited version (though, really, you don't need the edited version)
The original edition of Star Trek: Insurrection contains a different version of "Children's Story".
Re: Star Trek V - I'm happy to lose the metronome since it was a recording error, and not part of Goldsmith's original intent. As for punchy sound, I don't recall any difference - but Trek V has never sounded particularly punchy unfortunately.
I don't recall there being a reason to keep U.S. Marshals. Certainly not Executive Decision.
Personally, I tend to keep digital copies of any older albums that I've replaced with DEs, so that I can keep hold of the programs while not taking up shelf space with dozens and dozens of duplicate albums, especially if those original albums had no liner notes or anything (i.e. most Varese discs!)
If you keep everything for tiny differences you'll go nuts.
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Apr 24, 2021 - 12:39 PM
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henry
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I can’t remember them all at the moment, Henry. Executive Decision, Runaway and Chain Reaction don’t have anything on the old albums that you need to keep from what I can remember.
Yavar might have more info than me.
At least one cue on the DE of Runaway is faded into the previous / next cue, whereas it's entirely separate on the original CD ("Crazed Robot" I think...) so it's worth keeping the original Runaway for that. The Runaway DE is a bit weird actually, with the extra tracks sounding slightly different / louder than the original ones.
Similarly Gremlins 2 is worth keeping for the separated "Just You Wait"
And "Assembly Line" on the original Small Soldiers goes straight into "Alan's Town" - as it does in the film - whereas the DE presents the cues separately, as per the cut of the film that Goldsmith scored.
There's a cue on Chain Reaction that's expanded by a few seconds on the DE ("Open Door"), so you may want to keep the original CD for the edited version (though, really, you don't need the edited version)
Re: Star Trek V - I'm happy to lose the metronome since it was a recording error, and not part of Goldsmith's original intent. As for punchy sound, I don't recall any difference - but Trek V has never sounded particularly punchy unfortunately.
I don't recall there being a reason to keep U.S. Marshals. Certainly not Executive Decision.
Personally, I tend to keep digital copies of any older albums that I've replaced with DEs, so that I can keep hold of the programs while not taking up shelf space with dozens and dozens of duplicate albums.
If you keep everything for tiny differences you'll go nuts. Just keep the version that you're going to listen to.
Thanks for all the info Spymaster I really appreciate it. And you're right about the tiny differences, it can be frustrating.
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Apr 24, 2021 - 12:45 PM
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Spymaster
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Thanks for all the info Spymaster I really appreciate it. And you're right about the tiny differences, it can be frustrating.
it's worth bearing sound quality in mind too. While Small Soldiers, for example, may have a unique edit on the original CD, the sound on that disc was so awful that I hardly listened to it - and I never felt it flowed at 30 minutes. I will always, always go to the newer edition, with more music and better sound (It would have been nice, of course, if they'd kept that edit on the newer disc as a bonus track but, hey...)
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For some strange reason, "Howdy Stranger" and "The Nose Job" are crossfaded on the Quartet release of Total Recall, but the Deluxe Edition has them separated. So the DE is worth keeping for that, if for no other reason
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Interesting topic and kinda goes back to some comments I made on other threads as to whether people keep the original album or look to recreate the original album using a playlist with a re-release. I tend to keep the original album if there are pretty specific edits or it works (to my mind) as a kind of tone poem representation of the score. For me, Small Soldiers is both of those; the original album has a number of edits (as noted) and makes a nice 30 minute tone poem of highlights so an enjoyable alternative to the full thing. I have similar feelings about Starship Troopers (yes, I know, not Jerry) and a couple of others.
However, I've found myself caring less about wanting to keep the exact original programme and so have removed the "original album" presentation from my library. This is more where I don't have a particular attachment to the original. I don't know how big the differences are on, for example, Along Came a Spider, but as I don't know it that well or have a great attachment to it, I'm content to just have the expanded edition. I won't be agonising about whether there's some superior/different mix on the original disc that I'm missing out on.
There are a few where I've created hybrids. For example, the album edits of Without Help and Let's Get Out of Here and more musically satisfying than the unedited versions. Similar to Eidelman's Battle for Peace from The Undiscovered Country, putting the pauses back in kills the momentum for me. I for STV:TFF, I just kept the original album cues that are different to their complete counterparts for posterity and for the aforementioned hybrid (which also misses out the short cue The Big Drop, which is pretty incidental and doesn't fit with the rest of the music around it.
I also recreated the 20th Anniversary ST:TMP running order as I always thought that made a pretty great summary of highlights of that score. Don't get me wrong, it's pretty much amazing from start to finish, but it doesn't hurt too much cutting a couple of those early incidental cues for a tighter presentation.
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