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 Posted:   Oct 25, 2022 - 1:43 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

This has taken me a whole year to prepare and produce, decades if you count the research and accumulation of material. But I thought it was the appropriate time to create now, as a tribute to my favourite film composer in his 90th birthday year.

A complete walkthrough of all of his television music (with the available material and data that we currently have), presented as a podcast series over multiple parts. I hope you tune in and follow it. I will start working on Part 2 soon.

http://celluloidtunes.no/celluloid-tunes-73-the-complete-john-williams-television-music-walkthrough-part-1-24th-international-edition/

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2022 - 2:48 AM   
 By:   spanosdm   (Member)

This is VERY interesting. Of course I'll be following.
Thank you so much for your efforts and for the time you've put into this.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2022 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Excellent job, Thor.

 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2022 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Excellent job, Thor.

I will second that.

 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2022 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   Scotty Boy   (Member)

That was great and very informative. Thank you! Looking forward to future episodes.

 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2022 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   kingtolkien   (Member)

That is excellent Thor.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 26, 2022 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thank you for the feedback! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2022 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   RonBurbella   (Member)

Hi Thor,
It was so nice to musically re-live my early TV watching years accompanied with your well-informed commentary.

I actually did see these TV shows in the 1950s as a child and began collecting film and TV music in early 1962
at age 12-1/2 (you can do the math to figure out my age). And I still have those original LPs! I’m highly anticipating your next edition.

And I’m still looking for the John Williams’ sheet music to “Tomorrow” and to “Way of the Wand’rer,”which are very hard to find. Excellent job! It must give you great personal satisfaction to have assembled this John Williams material so that you could share it with us all. Bravo!

Ron Burbella

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2022 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I loved this podcast, Thor -- well done! Years ago I bugged Jeff Commings to consider covering TV stuff in his own Williams odyssey, The Baton. I did fortunately talk him into including Heidi and Jane Eyre along with the theatrical films, but alas I didn't convince him to cover stuff like Wagon Train so I'm glad you have.

My personal preference, for what it's worth, would be for you to play more clips... why leave out any episode he scored, in terms of representation, if you have it on DVD? Even if there are FX, I think it's still worth it.

It was really cool to hear the original vocal songs that formed the basis of two of his three tracks on the Wagon Train LP recording -- now I understand why there were other names credited with him for those two! For anyone who's interested to hear the orchestral LP companions to Thor's playing of the songs, we cover them early on in our Wagon Train episode of The Goldsmith Odyssey, when we discuss the series proper and the LP:
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/10353387-episode-34-wagon-train-the-ah-chong-story-1961

By the way Thor, you're a good host... but (and perhaps this is again a matter of personal preference) I prefer an audio discussion to a lecture, personally. Is there any chance you might get a cohost to do these with you, and exchange ideas/insights with you about Williams's early work? Maybe Jeff Eldridge or my pal Tim Greiving would be interested to do that with you... or maybe Jeff Commings if he doesn't have to produce it on his own podcast?

Looking forward to more of these, in any case. Williams's TV output is very overlooked and IMDb is missing a ton of his credits, I think.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2022 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thanks for the comments, Yavar!

My personal preference, for what it's worth, would be for you to play more clips... why leave out any episode he scored, in terms of representation, if you have it on DVD? Even if there are FX, I think it's still worth it.

The choice and number of clips are a combination of many things -- availability, quality and to create as fluid a listening experience as possible. So for some TV shows, I might only play the theme, for others it's more an episode-by-episode thing. It was never meant to include music from every single episode, even when one is available. What you say is very interesting (and requires even more audio ripping), though, but it's something that might be good for a written database or page, with exhaustive info on each and every episode that is available. It's something I might consider in the future if and when I "transcribe" the contents of the series into a written format that is easily edited etc.

By the way Thor, you're a good host... but (and perhaps this is again a matter of personal preference) I prefer an audio discussion to a lecture, personally. Is there any chance you might get a cohost to do these with you, and exchange ideas/insights with you about Williams's early work? Maybe Jeff Eldridge or my pal Tim Greiving would be interested to do that with you... or maybe Jeff Commings if he doesn't have to produce it on his own podcast?

I do agree with you that having a conversation between more people is more dynamic, so I definitely thought long and hard about asking Jeff Eldridge to co-host (really the only other person I would have done it with), but in the end decided against it. One because of the inferior sound quality (it would have been a recorded Skype conversation or some such thing) and two, I think he's a rather private person, so I was hesitant to ask.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2022 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


the inferior sound quality (it would have been a recorded Skype conversation or some such thing)


You simply each record your own end of the conversation on your own computers in full quality, then marry the two files together after.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2022 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, I suppose that would have been a possibility.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2022 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


the inferior sound quality (it would have been a recorded Skype conversation or some such thing)


You simply each record your own end of the conversation on your own computers in full quality, then marry the two files together after.


Exactly. Using Audacity for a local recording is standard practice at The Goldsmith Odyssey, among all the co-hosts (and some of our guests).

You should reach out to Jeff! And honestly Tim Greiving is also very much into investigating early Williams TV work himself...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2022 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Tim and I have reached out to each other about Williams-related issues many times over the last year. I have ideas to have him, Jeff, Matessino and other Williams luminaries come on the show in the future. Fingers crossed! smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2022 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well let me run this neat idea by you then: have a different guest co-host on each time to join you, as you two tackle/discuss a different batch of early TV works of his! Then each of you could, say, pick your favorite cue to highlight from each TV score of his.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2022 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

I do agree with you that having a conversation between more people is more dynamic, so I definitely thought long and hard about asking Jeff Eldridge to co-host (really the only other person I would have done it with), but in the end decided against it.

Both are valid way of doing it but when you are producing it yourself you have full control over what is scripted and said. There's MUCH more work when you start including co-hosts or guests. I personally think the way you are going about it the correct way for this type of program.

One because of the inferior sound quality (it would have been a recorded Skype conversation or some such thing) and two, I think he's a rather private person, so I was hesitant to ask.

Y'all really need to start using Cleanfeed. Everything is record in studio quality sound through your browser. I use Cleanfeed any time I'm co-host a show.

https://cleanfeed.net

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2022 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Hi Thor, It was so nice to musically re-live my early TV watching years accompanied with your well-informed commentary.

As a charter member of The Time Tunnel's saw-every-episode-in-its-original-airing club, I read ya, Ron. That theme song has never left the ear. Must step away from SerlingLand and give this podcast a listen.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2022 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Interesting podcast, Thor. Loads of info which took you years of research to put together. I hope nobody craps on your efforts! Loved that last Wagon Train episode music you played around the 55 minute mark. I could hear THE TOWERING INFERNO in there!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2022 - 12:23 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Part 2 out now! Sorry for the long wait, but as I said earlier, these take VERY long to produce.

http://celluloidtunes.no/celluloid-tunes-75-the-complete-john-williams-television-music-walkthrough-part-2-25th-international-edition/

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2022 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I don't like to "bump" my own threads, but since I spent such an insane amount of time on this thing, I'm curious if people found any favourite cues in this episode? Any favourite cues from ALCOA, for example?

 
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