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 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

When I first started reading FSM the magazine on a regular basis around 1998, I had always believed that John Williams was the most beloved/admired/worshipped film composer. But as I made my way through the pages of Film Score Monthly month after month, I noticed the many articles, album reviews and editorials from FSM staffers that were chock full of raves for Jerry Goldsmith. Now at the time, I knew Goldsmith through his Star Trek and Rambo movie work and it wasn't too tough to find his name in the credits of so many films. Not great or classic films, mind you, but the man sure was prolific.

This leads to my question: How much of an impact has FSM had on the popularization of Jerry Goldsmith amongst film score fandom? I count Jerry as my favorite film composer, and I probably owe FSM the credit for being such a strong influence on me personally in exploring Goldsmith. Sure, it does help that the man's music is so good, but has FSM's boosting of Jerry helped at all?

NP: Take a Hard Ride

 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   George A Flaxman   (Member)

With me its had no impact at all. He was a firm favourite by 1970.

 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Morlock1   (Member)

Well, 'round the FSM boards maybe, but otherwise, not.

 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Ironically, Goldsmith didn't like FSM much.

 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   TonyJ   (Member)

IMO FSM has released some of Goldsmith's greatest scores. My favorites: Patton, Illustrated Man, Wild Rovers, and Take a Hard Ride

 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   crimedog   (Member)

I doubt Jerry would have said he was indebted to FSM.

 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Nope! He hated us. Other than possibly getting a few readers to check out some Goldsmith scores they hadn't heard before I doubt we've had much impact, although getting out his scores has been an accomplishment we're all very proud of. In general I think people get exposed to this stuff on their own and form their own tastes irrespective of whatever we do at the magazine.

 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

I'm sure you're not alone, Peanutbutterbeard. [There's a name I never imagined I'd ever call someone.] In our modest circles, at least, I'm sure FSM writers and readers have contributed to Jerry's wide popularity. To that end, I'd like to think I've had some degree of influence, but, regardless, it's just good to see Jerry's reputation benefit.


 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

Didn't Jerry start hating FSM after Lukas or Jeff Bond made some less then polite comments about Joel Goldsmith's weight?

 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Jim Wilson Redux   (Member)

Where do stories like this start? Please, some FSM'er explain the situation.

For me, Goldsmith was my favorite composer long before the advent of FSM, so it's had no influence on me, though I think the magazine's devotion is not out of place.

Ah, unrequited love....

 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

Nope! He hated us.....

Jeff, your Goldsmith story was very well told in the FSM Goldsmith tribute issue, which was heartbreaking, bittersweet and very amusing. I was also quite moved by Lukas' article in the same issue, and I wrote him a letter but don't think I mailed it. Without wishing to be a sycophant, the FSM/Goldsmith releases accompanied by Bond/Kendall liner notes have been an inspiration for me. Equally so Varese/Townson and Intrada/Fake productions.

I've been collecting film music since I was a nipper in early 1976 and have been exposed to much of Jerry's output since that date, many times without knowing. In recent years I've discovered more of Goldsmith's music through the above releases and it has without a doubt opened my ears, broadened my outlook, and deepened my appreciation. So thanks, guys, all of you.

The maestro may have been a curmudgeon at times to his admirers -- he turned his back on me after a concert at the Barbican when I presented him with a copy of his "Legend" score to sign -- but I think that's part of his appeal. He'll always be the wild rover.

NP: Logan's Run

 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   Richard May   (Member)

As other have said, Goldsmith's popularity way pre-dates FSM.

I remember listening to a Radio 2 film music programme on the BBC here in the late 1980s. I was just getting into film music then and had Goldsmith's ST-TMP and Massada - both of which I adored. But Williams was my favourite with Star Wars, Superman, Indiana Jones and ET.

Since the programme was normally a request show, at Christmas they did a top-ten of requested composers and to my (naive) amazement, Williams was only at no.2 and Goldsmith was no.1 They played Capricorn One (which I had at that stage never heard) and I was virtually hooked. I heard about the Goldsmith Society from the back of the Warlock Silva Screen LP and I was off...

 Posted:   Aug 30, 2005 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

It was always Williams for me until Star Trek TMP came along and then old Johnny had some competition. They've been pretty neck and neck ever since (Horner came along on the outside rail and rocked my world for awhile - I still really like Horner's music and haven't given up on him). There's been Elfman, Broughton, Poledouris, Holdridge et al all vying for my attention but it's mainly been John and Jerry with Williams always just ahead based on the movie moments (a lot of my fave films are Williams scored whereas most of Goldsmith's movies suck and the ones that are great, well, the music plays a more psychological role).

 Posted:   Aug 31, 2005 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith was a "god" long before FSM began publishing.

And despite JG's disdain for FSM, it's to the publication's credit that it continued what I consider fair...if sometimes gushing...coverage of his output.

big grin

 Posted:   Aug 31, 2005 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I guess my question owes more to the fact that IMO the film score "community" didn't seem all that united before FSM came around, and I wasn't aware of the deity-like status of composers like Herrmann and Goldsmith. As one of the Star Wars-introduced film score fans, I thought that film music began and ended with John Williams. It was a surprise to me as a newbie that Goldsmith got all the adoration and had so many fans.

Of course those of you who were into the music in the 1960s knew of Goldsmith long before FSM arrived on the scene, but for those of us a bit younger, FSM was the Goldsmith beacon.

 Posted:   Aug 31, 2005 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

...but has FSM's boosting of Jerry helped at all?

Absolutely, and the FSMessageboard especially but any and every thing that is FSM is responsible. Before, I knew I respected Goldsmith. After FSM came on the scene (or after I finally discovered FSM, that is), I came to know why, which only increased respect. In spades. In fact, the respect can only keep increasing.

 Posted:   Aug 31, 2005 - 6:10 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith was a "god" long before FSM began publishing.

Yes, and I HATE that kind of fanaticism...

NP: WILLOW (Horner)

 Posted:   Aug 31, 2005 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Yes, and I HATE that kind of fanaticism...

NP: WILLOW (Horner)

I was a big fan before FSM and a bigger fan after.
The FSM cd's such as ILLUSTRATED MAN, and the buyers guides and internet chats have all contributed to expanding my knowledge and appreciation of Jerry's music.

Bruce Marshall

P.S. I STILL don't like THE OMEN!

 Posted:   Aug 31, 2005 - 7:27 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Yes, and I HATE that kind of fanaticism...

Me too. But "god" within the context of this thread is a figurative expression. Your hate would also be mine if the expression had a more literal usage. Then again, there is "God" as in Herrmann and there are "gods" as in Goldsmith, Steiner, Williams, etc.razz

 Posted:   Sep 1, 2005 - 12:50 AM   
 By:   HAL 2000   (Member)

Yes, and I HATE that kind of fanaticism...

NP: WILLOW (Horner)

Oh Thor, you're so... so Thor.

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