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 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

Zimmer ... (along with Williams POTTER Theme ) has written the only themes ,which people who aren't familiar with filmmusic are able to identify or aware of

Examples, please. Zimmer isn't a Master of Themes. And really, Williams' POTTER scores are the only example? Jaws, Star Wars, Indy Jones, Superman....all of these are in the public more than anything Zimmer composed as far as theme music.

Crimson Tide is kind of memorable, but would the public place it?


Many people I know (not interested in film music) recognize Pirates of the Caribbean, Inception, The Dark Knight, Interstellar, The Lion King, Rain Man, and other scores/themes by Zimmer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

how many of those were not written by Zimmer alone?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

What a boring "score"...replacable to say the least !


Some things never change, like hostile and shallow reviews vs. Zimmer by "film music experts" around here.
Ten years ago you could read the same in this board.

But in the last ten years we have been able to listen to milestones like Inception, Dark Knight Rises, Rush, Man of Steel, The Lone Ranger, The ASM 2, Interstellar, Dunkirk.

This X-Men score (no need of brackets) is so anything but boring.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

if it has been said for 10 years, well, kinda just verifies that there is something to these observations

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The well drys up, it's happened to Williams, Horner, Goldsmith. Zimmer had a fresh sound and actually wrote effective scores early on, Backdraft, Crimson Tide, Prince of Egypt. Even some of his soundscape scores are pretty good like Hannibal. Though he never created a soundscape that's particularly memorable, a theme I can hum in my head decades later.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

if it has been said for 10 years, well, kinda just verifies that there is something to these observations

I was about 20 minutes into this when I was suddenly overtaken by the irrepressible urge to hear "No Sale" from King Solomon's Mine.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   dtw   (Member)

He (along with Williams POTTER Theme) has written the only themes, which people who aren't familiar with filmmusic are able to identify or aware of

I've often asked myself what film music the general non-film-music-fans public would be able to identify.
I reckon a good many of ’em would get
Several John Williamses
2 Elmer Bernsteins
1 or 2 Jerry Goldsmiths
1 or 2 Danny Elfmans
1 or 2 Henry Mancinis
1 Alan Silvestri (and it's not an Avengers-related one)
A couple of John Barrys
1 Howard Shore
That Zimmer/Badelt you-know-what.
A Moross, the Karas, maybe a Steiner.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 12:32 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Either people are not reading the posts or they are just stuck in their mindset.
I clearly wrote for the last 20 / 25 years Zimmer has written probably the most memorable themes ( for sports events etc, "they " use GLADIATOR :razzIRATES etc.).
Give me other examples where a theme is stuck in the "non aficionado brain"?..I can't think of any except POTTER and the ZIMMER ones.
I´m not talking about JAWS::: BOND::STAR WARS:::STAR TREK etc. for those are way before 20 to 25 years.
And I am NOT bashing ZIMMER ..see sentence above. So please read the posts before you response .
And yes AVENGERS is a memorable theme..and probably a follower to the themes I just mentioned.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 1:09 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Either people are not reading the posts or they are just stuck in their mindset.
I clearly wrote for the last 20 / 25 years Zimmer has written probably the most memorable themes ( for sports events etc, "they " use GLADIATOR :razzIRATES etc.).
Give me other examples where a theme is stuck in the "non aficionado brain"?..I can't think of any except POTTER and the ZIMMER ones.
I´m not talking about JAWS::: BOND::STAR WARS:::STAR TREK etc. for those are way before 20 to 25 years.
And I am NOT bashing ZIMMER ..see sentence above. So please read the posts before you response .
And yes AVENGERS is a memorable theme..and probably a follower to the themes I just mentioned.


Well said Moolik.
I haven’t heard or seen Dark Phoenix yet but I’ve been looking forward to this one for a long time and I really enjoyed the APOCALYPSE film and loved the score.
Without any spoilers, just wondered in the film if Jean’s power does come forth in the ‘ phoenix’ form? I was always disappointed that wasn’t the case in LAST STAND as I used to be a huge fan of the comics.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   ROBERT Z   (Member)

Well this Dark Phoenix sounds like another "Inception Dunkirk sound design concept", not a really music score like the very good Ottman's Apocalypse , more a series of pulsations whose volume increases with the action.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Pradeep   (Member)

Just saw this and it's not bad at all. One thing that pleasantly surprised me was Kinberg's direction. He may be a first-timer, but this movie is better staged and shot than most blockbusters. The action scenes are nicely (and coherently) handled and the actors (contrary to reports) do a committed job. I challenge anyone to watch the kitchen scene between Hoult and McAvoy and tell me they're just going through the motions.

Tonally, this often feels like a more serious, almost sci-fi take on the Dark Phoenix story. This combined with a relative lack of humour contributes to a sometimes one-note feel and Zimmer's score doesn't exactly help in this regard. The alien backstory is perfunctory and some of the narrative beats feel truncated.

But this is still a decent X-Men movie, albeit one that doesn't have the 'cool' fanboy-ish moments that some people seem to love.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 7:36 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Just saw this and it's not bad at all. One thing that pleasantly surprised me was Kinberg's direction. He may be a first-timer, but this movie is better staged and shot than most blockbusters. The action scenes are nicely (and coherently) handled and the actors (contrary to reports) do a committed job. I challenge anyone to watch the kitchen scene between Hoult and McAvoy and tell me they're just going through the motions.

Tonally, this often feels like a more serious, almost sci-fi take on the Dark Phoenix story. This combined with a relative lack of humour contributes to a sometimes one-note feel and Zimmer's score doesn't exactly help in this regard. The alien backstory is perfunctory and some of the narrative beats feel truncated.

But this is still a decent X-Men movie, albeit one that doesn't have the 'cool' fanboy-ish moments that some people seem to love.


Kinberg had the unfortunate task of trying to clean up the mess of Fantastic Four after Josh Trank was kicked off that film.
So basically he directed some not tiny percent of that film, a lot of reshoots, and he had a lot of experience with many major productions as well. Unfortunately, this is just not a good script.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Just saw this and it's not bad at all. One thing that pleasantly surprised me was Kinberg's direction. He may be a first-timer, but this movie is better staged and shot than most blockbusters. The action scenes are nicely (and coherently) handled and the actors (contrary to reports) do a committed job. I challenge anyone to watch the kitchen scene between Hoult and McAvoy and tell me they're just going through the motions.

Tonally, this often feels like a more serious, almost sci-fi take on the Dark Phoenix story. This combined with a relative lack of humour contributes to a sometimes one-note feel and Zimmer's score doesn't exactly help in this regard. The alien backstory is perfunctory and some of the narrative beats feel truncated.

But this is still a decent X-Men movie, albeit one that doesn't have the 'cool' fanboy-ish moments that some people seem to love.


Do we get the visual ‘Phoenix effect’ of Jean’s power.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Just saw this and it's not bad at all. One thing that pleasantly surprised me was Kinberg's direction. He may be a first-timer, but this movie is better staged and shot than most blockbusters. The action scenes are nicely (and coherently) handled and the actors (contrary to reports) do a committed job. I challenge anyone to watch the kitchen scene between Hoult and McAvoy and tell me they're just going through the motions.

Tonally, this often feels like a more serious, almost sci-fi take on the Dark Phoenix story. This combined with a relative lack of humour contributes to a sometimes one-note feel and Zimmer's score doesn't exactly help in this regard. The alien backstory is perfunctory and some of the narrative beats feel truncated.


Kinda have to agree; I was reminded of how Singer shot the first entry.

But narrative wise the story plays out like the Coles notes edition of a triptych, it hits all the major plot points, but is divested of the character and thematic building blocks necessary to foster audience sympathy in Turner's take on Jean specifically and the Dark Phoenix story arc in general.

And Maharishi Zimmer underlines the proceedings all too self-importantly … as usual.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 5:30 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Just saw this and it's not bad at all. One thing that pleasantly surprised me was Kinberg's direction. He may be a first-timer, but this movie is better staged and shot than most blockbusters. The action scenes are nicely (and coherently) handled and the actors (contrary to reports) do a committed job. I challenge anyone to watch the kitchen scene between Hoult and McAvoy and tell me they're just going through the motions.

Tonally, this often feels like a more serious, almost sci-fi take on the Dark Phoenix story. This combined with a relative lack of humour contributes to a sometimes one-note feel and Zimmer's score doesn't exactly help in this regard. The alien backstory is perfunctory and some of the narrative beats feel truncated.

But this is still a decent X-Men movie, albeit one that doesn't have the 'cool' fanboy-ish moments that some people seem to love.


Do we get the visual ‘Phoenix effect’ of Jean’s power.


A little bit, I mean, you do also see this "Phoenix effect" at the end of X-Men: Apocalypse when Jean unleashes her power, but I seem to recall you only see this again at the very end of the film, so look for it there.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I just read this interesting review on Hollywood Reporter, which speaks to the film's strengths, among its shortcomings:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-dark-phoenix-is-stronger-critics-say-1216753

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   RynoSmithers   (Member)

I just read this interesting review on Hollywood Reporter, which speaks to the film's strengths, among its shortcomings:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-dark-phoenix-is-stronger-critics-say-1216753



Thanks for sharing. It’s definitely a different kind of X-men movie. Great article.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

It can't be any worse than...FIRST CLASS ( Riotengine loved it. Naturally wink ).

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2019 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Just saw this and I honestly don't understand cinema audiences anymore. I really enjoyed it with just the right mix of emotion and spectacle. I don't get all the bitching about it and think it sits nicely with the other X-Men films.
Loved Hans' music in the film feeling it really drove on all the right moments.

 
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