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If you want to get picky, when did I say any of those titles were low hanging fruit? I said the Goldsmith name is low-hanging fruit.
Yes, which certainly seemed to include all Goldsmith scores as low hanging fruit including these two which have to be re-recorded. (Otherwise, if it didn’t apply to the subject of this thread, why make the comment at all? — Are you really now saying you think Goldsmith is “low-hanging fruit” *except* not Black Patch or The Man?)
You both acknowledge there's an existing fan base and market for Goldsmith which influences why he gets chosen for releases and re-recordings. But you don't think this really effects why he gets chosen for releases and rerecordings. Okay...
Yeah where did I say the latter, exactly?
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Reminds me of the Monty Python sketch about "The Argument".
Time's up! Ding! Next please...
Didn’t like me finding you contradicting yourself with the exact opposite expert prescription in Intrada’s 2018 Kickstarter thread, huh? Nothing to say about that though, I see… time’s up, indeed, Sir Guy.
Even though it has been said this is the toughest part the tote has handily passed the 2/3 point and heading for the 3/4 mark. All in 4 days which looks amazing to me.
Yes, the significant velocity contrast between their first Kickstarter campaign and this one would really seem to confirm Roger made the right call in holding an informal “take the pulse” poll to decide what to record next. Now past $26,000 with 330 backers and over 25 days left to go. It’ll be interesting to see how many days it takes to surpass Dial M’s 404 total backers.
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Aug 11, 2021 - 8:15 AM
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If you want to get picky, when did I say any of those titles were low hanging fruit? I said the Goldsmith name is low-hanging fruit.
Yes, which certainly seemed to include all Goldsmith scores as low hanging fruit including these two which have to be re-recorded. (Otherwise, if it didn’t apply to the subject of this thread, why make the comment at all? — Are you really now saying you think Goldsmith is “low-hanging fruit” *except* not Black Patch or The Man?)
You both acknowledge there's an existing fan base and market for Goldsmith which influences why he gets chosen for releases and re-recordings. But you don't think this really effects why he gets chosen for releases and rerecordings. Okay...roll eyes
Yeah where did I say the latter, exactly?
Yavar
Geez, you guys really take the cake. I was addressing both you and Nicolai, as you're both basically saying the same things.
Everyone knows the Goldsmith name is popular, so he is "low hanging fruit" in terms of guaranteed sales. That's all I said. I never ever said his titles were cheap or easy to release. There are dozens of other composer titles they could acquire and process more cheaply, but if they don't perceive a market for them, they'd go with a more expensive Goldsmith project. Although the costlier the project, the more the label's personal preference might play a role in choosing to go ahead. Or perhaps sales (and name recognition) are even more important.
Then again, with kickstarter, it's a win-win since it's financed up front, which is why I think it should be done with lots of titles. People vote with their dollars, so for example, if "Joan of Arc" only got $50 at the end of the campaign, everyone could see it's not viable.
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What the bloody hell is happening in this thread?
Good question. I'd say its the tragic toxicity of the FSM board continuing to reveal itself. Over a year ago I started being more active on the JWFan board and it's a much less toxic and bitter place. And of course the Intrada board continues to be a very nice place to visit, although far less active.
New recordings of any classic film/TV music is a rare occurrence these days - celebrate it, damn it!
Well I think you've pegged the source of the outrage. It's such a rare occurrence that more is riding on it. Some of these folks are getting on in years and if Intrada only does one of these every few years, that makes it all the more disappointing when Intrada picks a project they personally don't have interest in. If Intrada did two re-recordings a year and one of them was Black Patch/The Man, I don't think as many would complain because they'd only have to wait six more months for the next opportunity of their hopes being realized. But since it's been three years since the last Kickstarter (admittedly that's probably due to Covid in large part), if someone is desperate for, say, Joan of Arc... it stings more when it's not that. And since it's an emotional reaction, pointing out the logic of recording Jerry Goldsmith premieres rather than a much more expensive project that's far less likely to succeed financially... well, it falls on deaf ears.
There is literally no reason for the sense of outrage expressed by some of you.
What surprised me much more was the sense of cOnSpIrAcY expressed by some... just, wow.
Yavar
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What are arguing about here? Maybe I’m just being clueless, because it seems to be along the lines that because Goldsmith is a favorite of the folks at Intrada, and popular among their customers, and since that popularity might actually successfully fund this Kickstarter, Intrada should have chosen something else instead.
What am I missing here?
Forget it Jake (Schiffy), it's Chinatown (the FSM board). Case in point:
I am waiting for one of you " geniuses " to request Mr.Stromberg to record all the music from season 1 of Gilligan's Island.
Nobody here called themselves a genius (though Basil certainly continues to act like he considers himself one!) and nobody has requested a re-recording of music from Gilligan's Island (even the people who want it are interested in a release of the original tracks if they survive), so what on earth are you going on about? You WANT someone to request Gilligan's Island so you have an excuse to mock them (well, I guess you're mocking them prematurely, just in case someone reading this wants a re-recording of Gilligan's Island)?
You sure have some bizarre mental vendettas against folks whose only crime seems to be having different taste than yours. Guess I'm glad not to be lonely on your shit list.
Yeah, this thread is a shitshow like so many threads on this forum, but the joke is on the critics, complainers, and of course the oh-so-much-smarter-than-everyone-else back seat drivers like Basil: every time you post in this thread up to post another insult, complaint, or dig at one of us excited for this release, it bumps it up to the top of the forum again and guarantees it more eyeballs as the numbers on the Kickstarter just keep chugging along. So keep it up Cody and maybe YOU will help ensure the greater success of this Kickstarter, so that Intrada only wants to do more Goldsmith re-recordings in the future (by the way this is the first Goldsmith re-recording they have done in 32 YEARS... how *dare* they do another one already, amiright?)
Yavar
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It seems incredible to me how sour some people seemingly have become over something that's only there to bring joy: music.
After reading all these sentences: You are absolutely right!
And: Schiffy and Yavar, thanks a lot for your "artistic" and thinkful answers. I most time enjoy these a lot... (Sorry about my bad english...;-)
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Aug 11, 2021 - 11:09 AM
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A company made up of incredibly devoted film music fans (who could be you or me, if we had the energy to start our own label) offers an opportunity for like-minded fans to support (with very reasonable terms) a recording project some of them may have a similar passion for. If enough people want it, the album gets recorded, and everybody gets what they want. If not (because participation is entirely voluntary), then that’s the end of that.
And yet somehow, for some here, this is all seen as evidence of something sinister. It's confusing to me.
This place is fueled on cynicism for far too many.
No-one can complain if a label decides it wants to record a particular piece of music. It's their choice. People support it or not. Either way, everyone should welcome a label going full steam ahead with a recording project of their choosing. Their choice would presumably be a reflection of their identity and targets and budget etc.
Instead, they held a so-called poll, giving the illusion that it was us, the audience that would have an important say in the final choice of material chosen. But all this did was ensure that in the end, we had far more actual poll participants who did NOT vote for the "winning" score, than who voted for it. Which of course, invites an entirely predictable and occasionally heated back-and-forth discussion as to the merits or otherwise of the final selection. After all, for some people, they see this as THEIR choice that's being questioned, not Intrada's.
I suggest we don't need a poll next time. The Kickstarter itself already serves as the only poll that matters, doesn't it?
So Intrada had a number of projects lined up and asked us what we thought. They probably learned more from the unpopular ones than the ones that got a decent response. I am glad THE HAUNTING has a following.
But your reaction is "do what you want but don't pretend you care".
Sigh.
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