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 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Good point on the album versions, Goblin Sean. That was one of my conclusions in listening to the Chain Reaction expansion - that the album was really a very good representation of the score that kept the repetitiveness in check.

It's easy to think that all those 30 minute albums required by the times were simply inadequate, but very often these days I find a powerful suite more effective musically, which is what I care about most.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

We always want what we can't have - sometimes when 'the rest' arrives, it's not as great
as whatever we put together in our heads! ;-)

-Sean

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I haven't gotten my copy of this yet, but being the Goldsmith nut that I am, I want every note my favorite composer wrote released on disc. If Mozart and Beethoven and Bach can get that treatment, then I want Goldsmith to have that treatment too, and then I'll pick and choose playlists and whatnot.

That said, there are at least 10 Goldsmith scores after 1990 where I wouldn't want to listen to the complete score for pleasure. Star Trek: Nemesis is one (the only Trek score I don't like to listen to in complete form...too much droning boring underscore -- much of which was on the original terrible Varese album instead of the score's actual highlights, of course!) Chain Reaction may very well be one of them too. But well over half of his 90s output was not interchangeable and formulaic. There may have been more of it than in previous decades, but then we also got amazing scores like The Shadow and The Mummy.

The Dante scores in particular are all unique and exciting in their own ways. I can't wait for complete releases of Matinee, Small Soldiers, and especially Looney Tunes: Back in Action. There's a lot that Varese still controls that I long for complete releases on.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

I love this expanded release. Great additional action cues but also some wonderful previously unreleased atmospheric cues with some inventive synth sounds like Invaders, the beginning of Too Late or Questions. Great stuff.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

....But well over half of his 90s output was not interchangeable and formulaic. There may have been more of it than in previous decades, but then we also got amazing scores like The Shadow and The Mummy.....

Yavar


Yavar, I like the way you put this very much, it's exactly right. I'm very fond of both Shadow and Mummy for example, and just love Hollow Man.

And counterpoint, thanks for the particular mentions of tracks - it's helpful for me to hear about particulars that folks are enjoying in this release.

The funny thing is that after I uploaded it into iTunes, I didn't add it to my iPod, and today I'm regretting it because I want to listen to (at least some of) it again. I'm just so conflicted about this one! embarrassment

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

All you have to do after you put it on your iPod and start listening to it again is this: make a little note every time a particular track is boring or repetitive or whatever, and then hit the skip button. After you're through listening to the complete score, then go back into iTunes and delete those tracks from your library. You'll always have the physical CD in case you find yourself changing your mind later and want to add a track back in, but poof, you've just made your own "professional" (sorry Thor) album of the score that you in all likelihood will enjoy more than the original Varese album.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Yeah, that's the thing, Yavar. I'm like Thor, I want an album presentation, I don't want to make my own. I don't want to spend my time editing out tracks, not that I use that time doing anything more valuable, just not my kind of activity. I'm a full album kind of guy (alternates not included). [I did do this with Marathon Man, but usually just listen to the whole thing or just don't.]

But I do know how to skip tracks. wink

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

But skipping tracks is essentially creating your own album experience. If you follow my method all that happens is those tracks are "automatically skipped" for you in the future. smile Oh well, it works for me...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Yeah, but the next time I might want to hear that track! (This has actually happened to me, that's part of why I stopped cutting.)

I'm just a complicated guy.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Surely there must be *some* tracks which are just completely useless droning underscore that you're safe to cut out!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

[Doing his best Foghorn Leghorn voice]:
How dare you, suh! This is Jerry Guhl---, I say, Jerry Goldsmith we are talking about here. This is an outrage, suh!

[Back to regular voice - but you are welcome now to hear me always as Foghorn Leghorn]
Not to beat this dead horse to very pulp, but I'll take Nemesis as an example. I actually find I enjoy all the atmospheric underscore in the expanded version, so I didn't cut any of it. Sometimes I skip through it, but sometimes I listen to every blessed moment. That's why I roll with everything or nothing (or original album sometimes). When it comes to JERR-Y, JERR-Y, anyway.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Fair enough...

ALTHOUGH, iTunes also has this little feature called playlists. You can drag the complete score in, and then follow the steps above to delete the boring-ish tracks you often/sometimes feel like skipping from the playlist only.

That way, if you're in the mood to listen to the complete score, you just find it on your albums list and go through every track. If on the other hand you just want to listen to the highlights (most of which Varese left off their original album), you have a handy-dandy playlist with say 50 minutes of prime latter-day Jerry.

Just trying to help. smile

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

I tend to listen to an entire score. The only time I get annoyed is if there is an out-of-place song or source music that doesn't fit in with the rest of the style. "Outland" is an example with those annoying electronic cues in amongst the score, which spoils the CD for me.

I don't like to edit out "boring" underscore, although I don't tend to considering them boring. I would find an album version boring if it is just thematic cues one after another. I like it broken up with the underscore if it still sounds like part of the overall listening experience. It helps create mood, and adds depth. I think this "Chain Reaction" expansion works very well, and would be disappointed going back to the original album and it all being over in just 30 minutes. They're just too short for me to get much out of them.

"Along Came A Spider" next, please...

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

All right, Yavar, one more peek into my odd mind. I'm such a child of albums as the defining iteration of recorded music, that's all I work with in iTunes.

I've put together some playlists but I almost NEVER go to them. It's a great feature, and I can completely agree that everything you suggest here today makes sense. But since I stopped air conducting favorite cues years ago I just stick in the land of albums, where I'm in my happy place. (And, well, sometimes my unhappy place, but I suspect that makes me happy too.)

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

But since I stopped air conducting favorite cues years ago

That's the saddest thing I've read all day, Sean!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Well, a kid came along and there were new games to play, as it were. Mostly listen these days while working or zoning out - but the time may come again. (I still have a lovely baton! - never say never.)

I bet everybody is starting to wonder about now, "why do I keep opening this thread?" I know I do. wink

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yes, I understand how life can intrude...

On your behalf, I look forward to the day far in the future when your kid(s) will be off at college and you can go back to air-conducting your favorite cues!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Next year, actually!

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 7:25 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I absolutely am with both sides of this discussion... I always look forward to these expansions of older scores, especially those that previously were limited to 30 minute editions (CHAIN REACTION, CONGO), but after 35+ years of collecting and listening to soundtracks I don't always have time for long listens. I now almost always edit these down to 50-60 minute editions for my own enjoyment.

And you know, we really have to be honest about this situation... we've hitched our wagon to the movie music wagon and the majority of these scores were not designed to be listened to in complete formats outside of the film. In this case of CHAIN REACTION, it's for sure too long a listen at 76 minutes. On the flipside, I think that 30 minutes was too short to include all the highlights. I think the right medium between these two is a 45-50 minute presentation so I'll be tackling this soon. On my iPod, I've already edited out some tracks so it's down to a 66 minute listening experience and it's pretty good. Some of the new action highlights are too good to skip!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 9:15 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

The more I play this Deluxe Edition the more I love every cue. The 30 minutes edition was just ridiculous.

 
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