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 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 3:58 AM   
 By:   CédricD   (Member)

May be some people actually like the End Credits' film version ? Did you think about that ?
And are you sure Goldsmith wrote a specific piece for the End Credits ?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

Primarily because I can hear it on this album, before it's crossfaded into bits of The Sarcophagus and Camel Race (or The Caravan, can't remember). I know most people probably prefer it as it is (I was joking with my "why would anyone..?" question but I can't be alone in wishing they had at least included the actual composed end credits piece rather than crossfading it into other things, even as a bonus.

(Not quite as egregious as the crossfade of "Raisuli Attacks" into something else, or the inclusion of the source music crossfaded into the score in The Ghost and the Darkness, I guess. Small comforts.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)



Maybe this mix just isn't meant for headphones?


They really don't want me to buy it then.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Brundlefly   (Member)

All these complaints and nobody has complained yet that they didn't release the actual piece Goldsmith wrote for the end titles as a standalone track, presenting it instead only in the music-edited version with the music already included earlier on the disc? Why on earth would ANYONE want that?

This is a more than justified question. The End Credits edit is just a disorganized, aimless compilation that Jerry Goldsmith would never have accepted, because it has no musical course or sense. An awful copy-paste job with terrible sounding transitions. I think Intrada committed this to satisfy even the most insane fanatics that want everything as presented in the movie.

You should go to the JWFan forum, there are plenty of complaints about this choice.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

I personally enjoy the film version of the End Credits, even though the original arrangement is better.

I like the option to choose between the Album and Film versions.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

All these complaints and nobody has complained yet that they didn't release the actual piece Goldsmith wrote for the end titles as a standalone track, presenting it instead only in the music-edited version with the music already included earlier on the disc? Why on earth would ANYONE want that?

This is a more than justified question. The End Credits edit is just a disorganized, aimless compilation that Jerry Goldsmith would never have accepted, because it has no musical course or sense. An awful copy-paste job with terrible sounding transitions. I think Intrada committed this to satisfy even the most insane fanatics that want everything as presented in the movie.

You should go to the JWFan forum, there are plenty of complaints about this choice.


Well, if they didn't include it, there would then be fans who complained about that too. So, I guess Intrada is really damned if they do, damned if they don't. It's a wonder they even continue to release expanded editions because there are some fans who apparently will never be satisfied with anything, ever, at all, in their life.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

May be some people actually like the End Credits' film version ? Did you think about that ?
And are you sure Goldsmith wrote a specific piece for the End Credits ?


It's highly unlikely. If he had, Intrada would have included it. Heck, it would have been in the movie! It's not like they went for a song instead. He'd probably had enough at that point and gave the OK for an edit job.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It's a wonder they even continue to release expanded editions because there are some fans who apparently will never be satisfied with anything, ever, at all, in their life.

Don't be so dramatic.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

May be some people actually like the End Credits' film version ? Did you think about that ?
And are you sure Goldsmith wrote a specific piece for the End Credits ?


It's highly unlikely. If he had, Intrada would have included it. Heck, it would have been in the movie! It's not like they went for a song instead. He'd probably had enough at that point and gave the OK for an edit job.


He did compose it. It’s in the film. It’s on the CD. It’s crossfaded into the excerpts from other cues. That’s all. I’m not going to lose sleep over it, it’s just a bit annoying, that’s all. Wish they’d included it standalone, even if as a bonus track. I’ll just have to stick the original album’s final cue on the end and delete the last two tracks of the new program, but it still doesn’t give that wonderful piece on its own, as it was composed and designed to be heard.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

It's a wonder they even continue to release expanded editions because there are some fans who apparently will never be satisfied with anything, ever, at all, in their life.

Don't be so dramatic.


Sorry, I was feeling rather cynical this morning!

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

It's also clearly not true. I didn't see people complain about the recent Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend reissue, or The Mummy Returns album...

I certainly don't complain about 98% of Intrada releases, and I buy most of them. It's only the problematic ones that get these kinds of complaints.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

It's also clearly not true. I didn't see people complain about the recent Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend reissue, or The Mummy Returns album...

More interestingly, people didn't complain about the original Baby release, which actually had errors which the most recent reissue corrected. smile

I certainly don't complain about 98% of Intrada releases, and I buy most of them. It's only the problematic ones that get these kinds of complaints.

I would also surmise that a release is more likely to get complaints the more popular and high profile the score. The Mummy was the most high profile non-Varese-controlled 90s score of Goldsmith's yet to be expanded. It stands to reason that people would be going through this release with a fine-toothed comb.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

He did compose it. It’s in the film. It’s on the CD. It’s crossfaded into the excerpts from other cues. That’s all. I’m not going to lose sleep over it, it’s just a bit annoying, that’s all. Wish they’d included it standalone, even if as a bonus track. I’ll just have to stick the original album’s final cue on the end and delete the last two tracks of the new program, but it still doesn’t give that wonderful piece on its own, as it was composed and designed to be heard.

Ooh that! I thought you were suggesting he'd written a full end title cue! Yes, it would have been nice if that had been presented separately - but no room on the disc for that and the edited credits suite. I'd have probably preferred the specially-composed piece on its own and dropped the edited suite, yes.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

I’ll just have to stick the original album’s final cue on the end and delete the last two tracks of the new program, but it still doesn’t give that wonderful piece on its own, as it was composed and designed to be heard.

What's the evidence that Goldsmith meant for the credits piece to be heard "on its own?" The music was clearly recorded in sections, but that's not at all uncommon. I always presumed that the way the final track is presented on the OST ("The Sand Volcano" flowing into the hero theme, the hero theme transitioning smoothly into the love theme) reflected the composer's preferred assembly. Certainly there was nothing preventing Goldsmith from leaving the cue as a stand-alone piece, if that had truly been his intention.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

More interestingly, people didn't complain about the original Baby release, which actually had errors which the most recent reissue corrected. smile

Shows what I know, because the old DAC-tape Baby always sounded good to me. I guess I never went to the Blu Ray of the movie for reference and made a direct comparison.

I would also surmise that a release is more likely to get complaints the more popular and high profile the score. The Mummy was the most high profile non-Varese-controlled 90s score of Goldsmith's yet to be expanded. It stands to reason that people would be going through this release with a fine-toothed comb.

That is absolutely true. With most soundtrack releases, I'd shrug off these kinds of issues, or likely wouldn't even notice them. I'm just not obsessive/attentive enough on most non-Goldsmith. But The Mummy is in my bones, man.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

More interestingly, people didn't complain about the original Baby release, which actually had errors which the most recent reissue corrected. smile

Shows what I know, because the old DAC-tape Baby always sounded good to me. I guess I never went to the Blu Ray of the movie for reference and made a direct comparison.

I would also surmise that a release is more likely to get complaints the more popular and high profile the score. The Mummy was the most high profile non-Varese-controlled 90s score of Goldsmith's yet to be expanded. It stands to reason that people would be going through this release with a fine-toothed comb.

That is absolutely true. With most soundtrack releases, I'd shrug off these kinds of issues, or likely wouldn't even notice them. I'm just not obsessive/attentive enough on most non-Goldsmith. But The Mummy is in my bones, man.


See me and my absolutely insanity with regard to The Fugitive and Falling Down some years back. I shriek because I care, man.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

See me and my absolutely insanity with regard to The Fugitive and Falling Down some years back. I shriek because I care, man.

Yeah, apart from a minor annoyance about some cues being unnecessarily merged via the dreaded cross-fade, I listened to both of those albums a couple of times and said to myself

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

(sizzling brain sound effect)

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2018 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Shows what I know, because the old DAC-tape Baby always sounded good to me. I guess I never went to the Blu Ray of the movie for reference and made a direct comparison.

Well I think most of the earlier Baby was fine (albeit not from first-generation sources as many people thought). But there was at least a track or two that was transferred at a slightly wrong speed, way back when. I'm sure if you'd compared directly with the film you would've noticed, like we recently did with the final cue of Nervous Man in a $4 Room on the Goldsmith Odyssey recently. I would've never noticed there was a speed problem with that cue if I hadn't been going through the score in-episode super thoroughly.

Yavar

 
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