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 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Trailer for Part II:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOh8-G5m4Cg

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)


  • So...
    Why is a super advanced "race" is robots starting with Earth? The should approach it like anything else, methodical and in a logical way, not a planet which Gordon himself noted they were a "long way from home" from.







    I saw that as pretty much a strategic move, assuming that Earth is the seat of the Union. If you're going to kill something start with the head.

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     Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 1:00 PM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    I was right. Season one composers:

    Bruce Broughton (one episode; pilot and theme)
    Joel McNeely (six episodes)
    John Debney (five episodes)
    Andrew Cottee (one episode)


    I'll clear up the IMDb listing if and when I can.


    I know I said the main theme is pretty generic but I have to admit Broughton's work for the pilot episode is my favorite music from the score. I liked all the different ways he referenced his own theme. To bad he didn't do more first season episodes.

     
     Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 3:05 PM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    "Pria's Theme" is sort of reminiscent of Star Trek 2009 opening motif. big grin
    Maybe we should start a thread and comment on specific influences and borrowings?

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 3:13 PM   
     By:   bondo321   (Member)

    "Pria's Theme" is sort of reminiscent of Star Trek 2009 opening motif. big grin
    Maybe we should start a thread and comment on specific influences and borrowings?



    "Pria's Theme" sounds straight out of the 1980s Horner playbook, and in "Cannot End Simulation / Back to Normal" I heard Goldsmith, Horner, and Silvestri in the first 2 minutes alone lol

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 2:40 PM   
     By:   bondo321   (Member)

    There's also a bit of "Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country" at 1:35 in "Alara Blows off Steam / There Was a Clown"

     
     Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 5:14 PM   
     By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

    I know Cliff Eidelman was being considered for Star Trek: Discovery before showrunner Brian Fuller left...it would be super cool if he was brought onboard to do a score or two for The Orville! (And of course Ron Jones must do one...)

    Yavar

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 5:51 PM   
     By:   jb1234   (Member)

    I know Cliff Eidelman was being considered for Star Trek: Discovery before showrunner Brian Fuller left...it would be super cool if he was brought onboard to do a score or two for The Orville! (And of course Ron Jones must do one...)

    Yavar


    I'm honestly a little let down Jones didn't do this latest episode score, as much of a homage to Best of Both Worlds as it is, haha.

     
     Posted:   Feb 28, 2019 - 11:50 PM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    Part 2 obviously had a huge budget! Unfortunately the score sounded rather generic. This really needed a dramatic score with rich themes. I could nit pick the episode but it was fun.

     
     
     Posted:   Mar 1, 2019 - 12:23 AM   
     By:   jb1234   (Member)

    I thought it landed with a big thud, mostly because it was overly predictable. Reminded me of the second part of a Voyager two-parter, if anything. It was pretty, I guess even if the battle scenes reminded me mostly of the opening battle to SW: Episode 3. I guess I just wanted more risks to be taken.

    I did enjoy McNeely riffing on both John Adams (the exterior shots of the Kaylon ships) and of course, John Williams in the big, nine minute battle. Debney's first part score made a bigger impression though.

     
     Posted:   Mar 1, 2019 - 7:49 AM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    I didn't hear the influences you heard. It just sounded like simple motifs on repeat. Maybe the sound effects drowned it out for me

    Regarding the episode I think the conclusion was satisfactory considering the hole they put themselves into. What else could they possible do?

    It was a bit clever. We learn Issac was build after his kinda became sentient and rebelled because of abuse from their creators. Thus Issac would have a different perspective on life and his personal experiences with humans. He did not find extermination logical. Dare we say moral. After all if you become sentient who's to say you can't learn morality or eventually other feelings like friendship and love.

     
     
     Posted:   Mar 1, 2019 - 12:50 PM   
     By:   bondo321   (Member)

    Now would be a great time for Varese to update their previous Debney TV soundtrack of SEAQUEST DSV with an expanded release... hint hint big grin

     
     Posted:   Mar 1, 2019 - 2:55 PM   
     By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

    "Identity: Part II"
    By: Joel McNeely

    Official FOX.com link: https://www.fox.com/watch/1b31963566151c863620dffd712ceda8/
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x737l7m (cropped, lower quality, slightly sped up, and flipped load for those region restricted; a part of the opening has been cut off, so you won't hear the first example I listed)

    Highlights:
  • 0:00 in.
  • 1:58 in.
  • 4:07 in.
  • 8:19 in.
  • 10:36 in.
  • 11:07 in.
  • 17:30 in.
  • 23:12 in.
  • 28:35 in.
  • 29:00 in. After commercial break.
  • 47:25 in.

    I think that was everything but two cues. This must have ben a beast to score and I don't see any additional composers listed on ASCAP or BMI (and neither revealed any composers yet to be heard from. Damn).

    This was a fantastic episode and a welcome conclusion to the set up. And you could feel the sense of emergency, the sense of drama when people died or ships blew up (as opposed to the empty CGI ship explosions in endless "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" war-fight episodes).
    Is it perfect? No.
    Does it have plot holes and miscellaneous thing to comment on? Yes. But so does almost anything you can watch.

    So, Talya got hit by a blast, but has no mark on her chest? We saw the [perhaps dead] bodies in Part I and they had dark wounds.
    "Oh, her race is super strong!"
    Her uniform isn't!

    So, the Orville has Jeffries' tubes, too. But they don't make sense:
    Why would you have a tube big enough for a person to crawl around in with parts that are accessible for replaced/repair, when the opening to get in is too small for a person to crawl through? You'd have to have a Yaphit on every ship.
    Of course, this point could be dismissed if it turns out there was just no human-access point in the main Shuttle Bay (which seems stupid).


    SPOILERS (for those, like solium, who can't see the spoiler code covering)

    Logic hole:
    Why would Kaylon Primary tell Ed he'd decompress Shuttle Bay if Ed did not comply? Earlier he said if Ed and his main personnel did not comply he'd execute crew one-by-one; if he was to decompress the main Shuttle Bay, there'd be no one to execute but main Bridge personnel, which would eliminate the ruse Primary was going to use once at Earth.

    Another logic hole:
    Why didn't Captain Marcos' vessel detect the radiation from the enemy vessels? The Orville did in Part I.

    Gordon: "See? Avis; I told you I wasn't makin' that up."

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     Posted:   Mar 1, 2019 - 4:17 PM   
     By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

    McNeely scored part 2, not John Debney. At least according to the end credits of the episode on Hulu.

     
     Posted:   Mar 1, 2019 - 5:29 PM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    @ Justin Boggan - There's actually quite a few plot holes and scripts have been generally weak. But what Orville has going for it (over Neo-Trek) are likeable characters and a team who works together to solve problems.

    No one is perfect, a know it all, callously disregards chain of command, or back-stabs one another.
    This last episode was particularly good in this regard and they gave as many characters as possible something positive to do.

     
     Posted:   Mar 2, 2019 - 8:15 AM   
     By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

    Damn, you're right -- it was McNeely. It's been so long since I've seen a "new" with multiple composers where a two-parter was scored by different composers, that I just assumed it was Debney. I'll go back and edit my post.

    In regards to the plots hole and what not, everything has them, it's just that people tend not to notice them. But a Youtube channel like CinemaSins does. Having said that, it's in my personal opinion that Part I was especially full of problems. I almost want to go through it again to list everything I can find.

     
     
     Posted:   Mar 3, 2019 - 5:57 AM   
     By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

    I'm a bit behind the times on this series at the moment.
    I'm just nearing the end of series one (just finished watching Firestorm).
    The CD should be coming my way from Intrada quite soon.
    I never thought I would ever say that I loved watching a Seth MacFarlane film or TV series, after everything else I've seen by him previously, but here I am, praising this series to the hilt.
    Sure, it ain't perfect, but in comparison to all the other Star Trek stuff out there in the past few years ago, it trumps them all in my book.
    I also get a kick out of playing 'guess the composer' while watching each episode (I just got Firestorm wrong by thinking it was McNeely after hearing all those Goldsmith riffs, but it turned out to be John Debney).
    This is one of my favourite TV shows I'm watching right now.

     
     Posted:   Mar 5, 2019 - 8:54 AM   
     By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

    Promo for the next episode. It's another short promo that tells you almost nothing.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwQX0UZyiNM

     
     Posted:   Mar 7, 2019 - 2:06 AM   
     By:   Lokutus   (Member)

    https://twitter.com/TomCostantino/status/1103510782497771520

     
     
     Posted:   Mar 7, 2019 - 10:50 PM   
     By:   jb1234   (Member)

    Weak episode that again cribs from several Star Trek episodes. I didn't care about Gordon's friend or their friendship and without that, the core couldn't hold. Debney's work was reliable but nothing really stood out (despite a mammoth nine-minute cue spanning the last act). I really, really wish this show were more thematic. We get the main theme and that's pretty much it. It makes a lot of the cues sorta blur together.

     
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