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 Posted:   Jul 6, 2019 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Mike F   (Member)

Dan who??

Never heard of him.

Exactly ...and Bond films are sadly no longer Bond films without John Barry 's music . Arnold , Newman and co have tried and all failed utterly and completely to make any serious impact into the franchise which is never helped by bland acting from Daniel Craig who has little or no charisma in front of the camera. Maybe the series should end and Eon start again from scratch with : Jane Bond.


It certainly wouldn’t be a James Bond film without James Bond.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2019 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

I've said it before: Start from scratch and go back to 1950s Ian Fleming. No gadgets, no chases, nothing silly. Cold war, yes. Focus on the character.

Like... they did with Casino Royale?

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2019 - 3:07 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

Justin Hurwitz should score Bond 25 frown

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2019 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Justin Hurwitz should score Bond 25 frown

Would have been a good choice but we have Dan Romer so let's wish him well and hope he delivers a great score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2019 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Justin Hurwitz should score Bond 25 frown

He will, someday...

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

Justin Hurwitz should score Bond 25 frown

He will, someday...


Erm... I hope we’re not starting a petition to have Bond 25 remade and removed from the canon before it’s even finished.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 4:52 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Justin Hurwitz should score Bond 25 frown

He will, someday...


Erm... I hope we’re not starting a petition to have Bond 25 remade and removed from the canon before it’s even finished.


Recall: when they made Diamonds Are Forever (1971), the script suggested that the previous film (On Her Majesty's Secret Service) did not exist (references to Bond having been on vacation ...) - okay, with Sean Connery reprising the role there was some justification - and then after the two Timothy Dalton films, the opening of GoldenEye (1996) was set some seven (or was it nine) years prior to the film's story. This time it looked as if the filmmakers were attempting to wipe those two TD films, which had a less than stellar reputation, from the paying public's conscience. And then we had the complete re-boot (something Cubby Broccoli had advised against) ... which lasted all of two films.

Your comment may be taken as a little tongue-in-cheek but I wouldn't be surprised when (perhaps: if!) Bond 26 is made there may be an attempt to wipe the DC time-line from the series (i.e. treat this as an alternate universe JB007, from recruitment to retirement in 5 easy steps!).

I've not been enamoured with the last 3 films ... and Casino Royale (2006) has major script and action scene problems ... but I hold out hope that this DC swansong delivers far more than it presently promises.

And that includes the all-important music score. I have no knowledge of Mr. Romer's work but provided he produces a JB007 score and not a modern day action film score (there is a major difference) - or, worse still, a pop-laden mish-mash - then that will be one positive element.

I like Daniel Craig ... I even like him as JB007 ... I just think his JB007 films have not been much good. No wonder the filmmakers have a problem producing another successful JB007 film when long-standing fans like me are disappointed to the extent that I won't even pay to go watch the latest one at the cinema!

And, for the record: this is not all about liking only Sean Connery, etc. ... the last really enjoyable one was Pierce Brosnan's The World Is Not Enough (1999) and the last great one was Timothy Dalton's Licence to Kill (1989).

Here's hoping for a great Bond 25 ... complete with great score smile
Mitch

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

You are wrong about DAF. The whole pre credits scene was about Bond avenging the murder of his wife in OHMSS.
There were subtle in jokes about Connery being away from.the franchise.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

LTK sucks.
Big time!

Have a.nice day.
smile
Brm

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

You are wrong about DAF. The whole pre credits scene was about Bond avenging the murder of his wife in OHMSS.
There were subtle in jokes about Connery being away from.the franchise.


As out-of-story easter eggs, really nothing more. OHMSS had one two in Lazenby saying 'this never happend to the other fellow' and the end of the pre-credits scene.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

You are wrong about DAF. The whole pre credits scene was about Bond avenging the murder of his wife in OHMSS.
There were subtle in jokes about Connery being away from.the franchise.


Yes, that's why the script made such strong references to Tracy (not!) and why, a few minutes in, the short Moneypenny scene includes her suggesting Bond brings back an engagement ring from Amsterdam ... just the sort of nice sentiment she would show to her recently widowed (by murder ... on his wedding day!) colleague.

Bond's vacation was meant to imply the time he'd taken to track-down and dispose of Blofeld ... making no suggestion it was avenge Tracy.

IMHO, of course! smile

Of course, the return of Connery meant such references worked as in-jokes, too.

And you're so wrong about Licence to Kill that it's laughable - IMHO, of course

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   films1   (Member)

I've said it before: Start from scratch and go back to 1950s Ian Fleming. No gadgets, no chases, nothing silly. Cold war, yes. Focus on the character.


No we need the gadgets .... thats what makes bond unique . Otherwise they just end up like a normal hollywood generic thriller .

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

You are wrong about DAF. The whole pre credits scene was about Bond avenging the murder of his wife in OHMSS.
There were subtle in jokes about Connery being away from.the franchise.


Yes, that's why the script made such strong references to Tracy (not!) and why, a few minutes in, the short Moneypenny scene includes her suggesting Bond brings back an engagement ring from Amsterdam ... just the sort of nice sentiment she would show to her recently widowed (by murder ... on his wedding day!) colleague.

Bond's vacation was meant to imply the time he'd taken to track-down and dispose of Blofeld ... making no suggestion it was avenge Tracy.

IMHO, of course! smile

Of course, the return of Connery meant such references worked as in-jokes, too.

And you're so wrong about Licence to Kill that it's laughable - IMHO, of course


Why would 007 take.time off to hunt down Blofeld unless it was PERSONAL?
JUST admit.youre WRONG! It's not that hard.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

You are wrong about DAF. The whole pre credits scene was about Bond avenging the murder of his wife in OHMSS.
There were subtle in jokes about Connery being away from.the franchise.


Yes, that's why the script made such strong references to Tracy (not!) and why, a few minutes in, the short Moneypenny scene includes her suggesting Bond brings back an engagement ring from Amsterdam ... just the sort of nice sentiment she would show to her recently widowed (by murder ... on his wedding day!) colleague.

Bond's vacation was meant to imply the time he'd taken to track-down and dispose of Blofeld ... making no suggestion it was avenge Tracy.

IMHO, of course! smile

Of course, the return of Connery meant such references worked as in-jokes, too.

And you're so wrong about Licence to Kill that it's laughable - IMHO, of course


Why would 007 take.time off to hunt down Blofeld unless it was PERSONAL?
JUST admit.youre WRONG! It's not that hard.


I've got to laugh ... Blofeld had escaped after seeking to start WWIII (You Only Live Twice (1967)) ... that's more than enough reason for Britain's best agent to seek him (the idea that did flow through OHMSS) and there's no suggestion that Bond was not working during this time, but add:

- when Bond meets his friend Leiter ...
- when Bond encounters the real Blofeld ...

... there's not a hint of a mention of Tracy.

It took another three films (the poor The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)) to resurrect the idea of Tracy, by which time that earlier film had garnered enough public support (from the JB007 fans) to be acknowledged as a true entry in the series.

But you knew that anyway and were simply teasing me with your comments!

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The producers obviously wanted no direct mention of the OHMSS film.
Most, 99 precent, of moviegoers knew he was seeking revenge.
The other one percent... Well,the less said about them, the better.*
Ben


* those folks needed the phrase " Tracy.died" , spoken by at least.one character ,otherwise they couldn't figure it out for themselves

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

The producers obviously wanted no direct mention of the OHMSS film.
Most, 99 precent, of moviegoers knew he was seeking revenge.
The other one percent... Well,the less said about them, the better.*
Ben


* those folks needed the phrase " Tracy.died" , spoken by at least.one character ,otherwise they couldn't figure it out for themselves


We agree to differ ... end of

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

A personal remembrance.

Me and my friends went to see DAF the week it opened.
We all remembered what happened at the end of OHMSS.
We all knew he would be seeking revenge.
We all knew the precredits was all about Tracy.
We all were thrilled to see Blofeld get his comeuppance.

One of the great cinema going experiences of my life and the last true flicker of Bondmania!
Brm

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Gadgets don't makes James Bond unique. Matt Helm had a gadget gun. Derek Flint had a gadget lighter. Solo and Kuryakin had gadgets. Even Maxwell Smart had gadgets.

What makes Bond unique is the character of Bond and the writing of Fleming, two things sadly missing from the films for quite some time.

Also, the films have evolved so much and sometimes evolve gradually and sometimes suddenly--so much that there are very few constants for the Bond films. Mostly we just have our preferences. For those who enjoy the stunts and the interminable chases, well, those really weren't a feature of the Connery era. Now they're a staple. But they don't have to be. The gadgets have subsided--thank God--, but they were once a staple. I'm not missing that invisible car.

Even in the Connery era--my favorite--there were extremes. FRWL is relatively serious and as close as we'll ever get to cold war Fleming. DAF is jokey and doesn't smack of Fleming at all.

Finally, no matter the film, John Barry made the good films better and the bad ones bearable.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2019 - 9:53 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I like gadgets.
For me it makes it more believable that one man can defeat many and escape.capture every time!

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2019 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

The music hasn't really been important zinc Barry left.
The two best Bonds since Moore are GOLDENEYE and SKYFALL.
The lack of a compelling underscore didn't diminish the quality of the film ( although it didn't ENHANCE IT partic)
Brm


On GOLDENEYE I felt the score did diminished the quality of the film. For me that music made the film feel depressive, slow and not fun. Several steps down from Kamen’s exciting and appropriate music for Licence to Kill.

David Arnold was the best thing that happened to the franchise after the mess that was the music to GOLDENEYE.

Agree that the music was not an issue in SKYFALL (but not an asset, the big disappointment was the same music being adapted to SPECTRE).

In fact I like CASINO ROYALE much more than SKYFALL and the music is a big part of it.

 
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