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 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

(E) It depends, but most often C&C

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I keep hoping to hear from Lukas Kendall or Mike Matessino or Jeff Bond or Neil Bulk or LLL or Doug Fake or Haineshisway... but here we are 239 replies in, and unless I missed it, nothing.

I appreciate MMM contributing to this thread.

If anybody's taking a vote, I love the C&C approach. Give me everything but the kitchen sink, and I'm sure to get that one damn cue that I loved so much. And it's a different cue for everybody, so where possible let's have it all on the CD!

Thus I completely disagree with the O.P.'s thesis.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

"How do you prefer your soundtracks presented?"

C&C = Complete & Chronological
A&A = Arranged & Abbreviated


There is a third option between your two choices that I don't think is captured.

And what you call "C&C" is what I would typically call "archival." There are still aesthetic choices to be made with "C&C" - tightness/transitions between tracks, relative volume of certain tracks, etc., that will make a C&C play more like an album.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I keep hoping to hear from Lukas Kendall or Mike Matessino or Jeff Bond or Neil Bulk or LLL or Doug Fake or Haineshisway... but here we are 239 replies in, and unless I missed it, nothing.


Why would they dignify this with a response? A couple on here are saying everything they've done for the last 15 years is unlistenable sh*t made by fan boys and even remind them of this with every new expanded release.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

"How do you prefer your soundtracks presented?"

C&C = Complete & Chronological
A&A = Arranged & Abbreviated


There is a third option between your two choices that I don't think is captured.

And what you call "C&C" is what I would typically call "archival." There are still aesthetic choices to be made with "C&C" - tightness/transitions between tracks, relative volume of certain tracks, etc., that will make a C&C play more like an album.


Yes, absolutely. And it is always a matter of degree, and what to abbreviate. Sometimes a few slight edits and one or two creative placement and spacing decisions can give a film score release the final polish.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It's probably no surprise that I'm a (B) myself. I wonder if an (A) exists, i.e. one that is even more extreme than me (or a (G) on the other side, for that matter). A poll would give the answer!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I keep hoping to hear from Lukas Kendall or Mike Matessino or Jeff Bond or Neil Bulk or LLL or Doug Fake or Haineshisway... but here we are 239 replies in, and unless I missed it, nothing.


Why would they dignify this with a response? A couple on here are saying everything they've done for the last 15 years is unlistenable sh*t made by fan boys and even remind them of this with every new expanded release.


Over the last 20 years, I've spent a hell of a lot of money on and dedicated a hell of a lot of shelf space to these releases. I've helped keep these labels in business. Over the course of listening to many, many of these CDs, I feel that I can offer a critique on what works and what does not work. My critique may differ from yours, but that is why we have a message board, to discuss these things and share our perspectives. And with more than 200 replies, the topic is of interest to some of us. Anyone is free to participate or not.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

You don't even see that you are also slapping the cheek that you caress.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)


I've helped keep these labels in business.




Not only that...you've helped keep the Post Office in business too.

In comparison, my small accomplishments pale into insignificance. But I'm proud to say I've played my part in helping keep toilet paper manufacturers in business.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I keep hoping to hear from Lukas Kendall or Mike Matessino or Jeff Bond or Neil Bulk or LLL or Doug Fake or Haineshisway... but here we are 239 replies in, and unless I missed it, nothing.


Why would they dignify this with a response? A couple on here are saying everything they've done for the last 15 years is unlistenable sh*t made by fan boys and even remind them of this with every new expanded release.


Over the last 20 years, I've spent a hell of a lot of money on and dedicated a hell of a lot of shelf space to these releases. I've helped keep these labels in business. Over the course of listening to many, many of these CDs, I feel that I can offer a critique on what works and what does not work. My critique may differ from yours, but that is why we have a message board, to discuss these things and share our perspectives. And with more than 200 replies, the topic is of interest to some of us. Anyone is free to participate or not.


Who said I was referring to you? wink The topic is fine. I can understand your frustration when albums are not produced to your liking. But with such frustration I read pretty disparaging remarks about the specialty labels and generalizations which just arent true. You attract more bees with honey than with vinegar.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

You don't even see that you are also slapping the cheek that you caress.

Bingo!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

You attract more bees with honey than with vinegar.

I'm not trying to attract anyone. Maybe you are, but I am not. I am simply posting about my feelings on the topic, and people are free to read them or not, and to agree or not.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Exactly, Onya. It's very interesting to me that many in the C&C crowd - the majority crowd, no less -- tend to be crude and personal in their replies. While we tend to be more issue-oriented. I wonder why that is? As if our differing preference is an attack on their very being? Strange.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Exactly, Onya. It's very interesting to me that many in the C&C crowd - the majority crowd, no less -- tend to be crude and personal in their replies. While we tend to be more issue-oriented. I wonder why that is? As if our differing preference is an attack on their very being? Strange.

When people are confronted with an opinion they don't understand or agree with, it is far easier to engage in group think and turn the argument into an ad hominem attack against the opinion-holder, rather than having a nuanced conversation. And that is fine, I don't care. A few participants here have been respectful.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

A few participants here have been respectful.

Absolutely. Nicolai, for example. We disagree vehemently on this topic, but always maintain a respectful, issue-oriented conversation. Which makes the 'jibes' stand out all the more.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Careful, boys.
You've both made your share of put-downs.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Careful, boys.
You've both made your share of put-downs.


In this thread? Not that I can see, but you're free to quote. I put down the very concept of C&C, I don't put down the people who like them.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Careful, boys.
You've both made your share of put-downs.


In this thread? Not that I can see, but you're free to quote. I put down the very concept of C&C, I don't put down the people who like them.



Oh, they're there.
It's plain to see.
Being clever with the choices of words doesn't obscure the condescension.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

If you can't quote any specifics, then there is nothing there.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

If you can't quote any specifics, then there is nothing there.


Don't kid yourself.
I occasionally look into this thread and post in it purely for the laughs merely because I recognized it for the wind-up it is.
The original premise is flawed and it's not something that hasn't been repeated ad absurdum by you many, many times before.
So I would say that if you have nothing new to bring to the table, then why bother? It's ancient shtick.

And please don't give me the tired response of "don't read it if you don't like it".
If you make your comments public, it practically invites reactions.

big grin

 
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