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 Posted:   Feb 2, 2022 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Unmentionables exist...

Really crappy ones do and mostly they're not the original music.

Some rip the official soundtrack and add the Silva Screen tracks and make play it's the complete original score. Bull****.

Some even add an Erich Kunzel recording and claim it's the unused Moonraker overture. Paging all the gullible people.

Some are so-called back-channel rips off the DVD over-processed to remove dialogue and effects, and sound utterly horrible.

Some are midi recreations.

Some are a blend of all the above.

But NONE that I have ever seen have the pure, complete, original music track. Not one.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2022 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Prob my fav Bond score. Saw it on the big screen as a kid and made a huge impression on me. Probably as much as seeing Star Wars. The score is hauntingly perfect. The one cue I always wanted was at the end when Bond was shooting down the satellites hurtling to earth. Not sure if that was an original cue or just an edit from the earlier docking scene. Would anyone happen to know?

 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2022 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

Prob my fav Bond score. Saw it on the big screen as a kid and made a huge impression on me. Probably as much as seeing Star Wars. The score is hauntingly perfect. The one cue I always wanted was at the end when Bond was shooting down the satellites hurtling to earth. Not sure if that was an original cue or just an edit from the earlier docking scene. Would anyone happen to know?

That is just an edit of a part of Flight Into Space.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2022 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   Cameron007   (Member)

MV did hint at more expanded Bond coming this year.

With respect, no he didn't.

What MV said is that LLL intended to put out anniversary editions of OHMSS, Moonraker, Licence To Kill out in 2019, but the project didn't get very far before it got kyboshed.

He never said anything about the project coming back to life, or that it would be this year.

Cheers


Yeah, that's what I remember. As for Amazon, we can only hope they eventually cave.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2022 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Prob my fav Bond score. Saw it on the big screen as a kid and made a huge impression on me. Probably as much as seeing Star Wars. The score is hauntingly perfect. The one cue I always wanted was at the end when Bond was shooting down the satellites hurtling to earth. Not sure if that was an original cue or just an edit from the earlier docking scene. Would anyone happen to know?

That is just an edit of a part of Flight Into Space.



Interesting fact. You’d think such a pivotal climactic scene would garner an original cue.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2022 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Maybe Jeff Bezos would okay a release. The movie has the Amazon in it and also ridiculously sends somebody into space.

 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2022 - 6:05 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I’m not sure, but isn’t it the case that the IP rights to the movies (including the music) are owned by Danjaq? In which case the Amazon deal should affect the ability to assign music rights to a label like LLL.


I looked it all up:
Danjaq and MGM are the co-owners of the James Bond franchise rights.

EON and Danjaq are both wholly owned by the Wilson/Broccoli family. MGM is about to be owned by Amazon, pending regulatory approval.

 
 Posted:   Feb 2, 2022 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Unmentionables exist...

Really crappy ones do and mostly they're not the original music.

Some rip the official soundtrack and add the Silva Screen tracks and make play it's the complete original score. Bull****.

Some even add an Erich Kunzel recording and claim it's the unused Moonraker overture. Paging all the gullible people.

Some are so-called back-channel rips off the DVD over-processed to remove dialogue and effects, and sound utterly horrible.

Some are midi recreations.

Some are a blend of all the above.

But NONE that I have ever seen have the pure, complete, original music track. Not one.

Cheers


Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. smile
Like so many I wish for the day we get an official release from the scoring sessions.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2022 - 1:06 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

The last post from MV I could find was from January 2022 in which he agreed to another poster that not saying anything in advance would be wiser:

„He means that he regrets posting publicly that LLL was close to being able to do Tomorrow Never Dies, Moonraker, and License to Kill expansions, because now he feels like he'll be repeatedly getting asked about those projects over and over again until they finally come out. So, he will no longer mention anything LLL has in the works until shortly before it is released to avoid being frustrated by these questions.

That is now I interpreted it anyway!“

Bingo

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2022 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   mtjs   (Member)

Unmentionables exist...

Really crappy ones do and mostly they're not the original music.

Some rip the official soundtrack and add the Silva Screen tracks and make play it's the complete original score. Bull****.

Some even add an Erich Kunzel recording and claim it's the unused Moonraker overture. Paging all the gullible people.

Some are so-called back-channel rips off the DVD over-processed to remove dialogue and effects, and sound utterly horrible.

Some are midi recreations.

Some are a blend of all the above.

But NONE that I have ever seen have the pure, complete, original music track. Not one.

Cheers


This is true, the original, 'pure' music tracks have never been released. It's always been one or more of the options you listed above. But I don't find all of those options 'crappy.' I love this music so much, that I can get much joy out of listening to it in rips from the DVD/BD audio channels, or synth recreations, or re-recordings. The music itself is so good that many of the perceived flaws there might be fall by the wayside for me.

Some people don't like re-recordings, because they are, as the name suggests, not the original recording, and they will settle for nothing less. Personally, I can enjoy them, as long as they are done with a certain level of competence (I don't expect them to be perfect either). To me, what a composer wrote doesn't have to live solely in his own recordings of it. A re-recording can capture much, if not everything of what said composer came up with. It's not that I wouldn't jump with joy if the original recordings were released, but I can appreciate the alternatives, and I think I will appreciate them even after the original recordings are released.

As a hobby, I sometimes create MIDI files of film music (not necessarily full-fledged synth recreations-- there is a difference), and I find myself listening to them occasionally. The sound is very rudimentary, as it's basically sheet music being played with a MIDI soundfont through the computer, but it offers something nothing else can offer, not even the precious original recordings: the music the composer wrote in its rawest form, devoid of the specificities and 'imperfections' of performance. It's like looking at a sketch vs. looking at a painting. There is joy to be had in both cases.

But basically, my point is, sometimes the music is so good that it can be enjoyed in a multitude of ways. It doesn't have to be solely about original recordings in pristine quality.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2022 - 7:28 PM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

I completely agree with you 'mtjs'.
I was going to write more; but I won’t.

I will state that I wish - 'Moonraker' - had more music in the film than it does.
It is one of the greatest scores John Barry has ever written; but due to the shortness of the score…
I prefer to listen to – 'Diamonds Are Forever' - 'Thunderball' - and - 'You Only Live Twice' – as those scores run over 60 minutes in length.

Besides – ‘For Your Eyes Only’ – the Roger Moore films didn’t have much music in them. A shame; and yet – I prefer to watch his actual films - over - Sean Connery's.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

I’m not sure, but isn’t it the case that the IP rights to the movies (including the music) are owned by Danjaq? In which case the Amazon deal should affect the ability to assign music rights to a label like LLL.


I looked it all up:
Danjaq and MGM are the co-owners of the James Bond franchise rights.

EON and Danjaq are both wholly owned by the Wilson/Broccoli family. MGM is about to be owned by Amazon, pending regulatory approval.


Ah, thanks. I suspect that does complicate things.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2022 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I consider "Space Laser Battle", "Bond Lured To Pyramid" (with some of Barry's best string writing which smacks of Claude Debussy), "Flight Into Space", and "Bond Arrives In Rio And Boat Chase" the best tracks on the soundtrack C.D., though "Space Laser Battle" sounds somewhat like Michel Legrand's theme from "Summer Of '42". Also, since the film was heavily criticized for recycling material from previous films, I'm surprised that nobody mentioned the scene where Hugo Drax hired an assassin to kill Bond in the forest (and is shot and killed by Bond himself) itself is reminiscent of the scene with the exploding decoy in the spoof "Casino Royale"!

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2022 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Captain_Kaos   (Member)

"Masterpiece"? I'm not sure, but I also would buy a complete (or at least expanded) soundtrack album. But my Barry Bond masterpieces are "Goldfinger" and "Thunderball".

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2022 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Best song from a Bond score is Moonraker.
Best cue from a Bond score is Stealing the Lector from FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2022 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I too love Barry's MOONRAKER, I like the film too even though it is out there, literally in space!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2022 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Best song from a Bond score is Moonraker.
Best cue from a Bond score is Stealing the Lector from FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE.


The cue can be found on YouTube as " 007 takes the Lektor." It is magnificent.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2022 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

This thread has gotten me back into this score, I'm listening to it right now. It is quite good. But I also love Barry's THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN, so take from that what you will.smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2022 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Funny you should mention that one, h, as I just picked up the DVD and will be watching it over the weekend for the first time {per earlier entry, am catching up on all the Bond that I've missed since them high school days roll eyes}.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2022 - 12:26 AM   
 By:   governor   (Member)



 
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