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At the same time, this wasn't Bernard Herrmann at Fox which came and went quick as a flash. the set's been out for almost 8 years. If you're fan enough to enjoy the music, you'd have known something about it, I would think. (unless you were my Aunt Doris who has no innerwebz) Cost may have been an issue but over a half dozen Christmases and birthdays have come and gone.
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At the same time, this wasn't Bernard Herrmann at Fox which came and went quick as a flash. the set's been out for almost 8 years. If you're fan enough to enjoy the music, you'd have known something about it, I would think. (unless you were my Aunt Doris who has no innerwebz) Cost may have been an issue but over a half dozen Christmases and birthdays have come and gone.
Wasn’t the Herrmann box limited to 1000?
I believe so. And I'm still butt hurt from missing this one. Even though I think a number of its scores have been re-released. I just want to see that beautiful set sitting on my shelf 
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As a fan of the original series (although with VERY limited knowledge compared to many), I amazed even myself by stumbling across - on YouTube - something which you all must know about, but I stupidly didn't, namely STAR TREK CONTINUES. If there aren't a million threads about this series and its music already, there should be. And I'd never even heard of it before. I suppose I could "comfort" myself by claiming ignorance due to my refusal to exist after the year 1979, but this got me thinking that I should maybe expand my horizons to include stuff from even this century in which we live. I even went to the home page of the series and saw a piece about Andy Farber scoring some original music for the show and adapting some existing music from the original series. Anyway, I've only watched the first episode so far - and, oh man, was that Michael Forrest playing Apollo from "Who Mourns For Adonais?" again?
The result was that after hearing many quotes and full themes from the original score(s) in the episode, I went back to the box set and listened to Fred Steiner's absolutely amazing score for "Who Mourns For Adonais?" - and it was better than ever. Jeezo, that Star Trek series had some of the greatest music ever written. I ought to revisit it much more frequently. One of the best Christmas presents of my life too, on the very year it was released (Santa - my wife - saw me salivating at the thought of this release at the time, and sensed my tears of pain when I mumbled that we couldn't afford it).
Oh, and since it's already been mentioned - yeah, maybe my own fault for not having transported the music up to one of those 21st century "clouds" or something, but I had to open the thing EXTREMELY gingerly. The discs weren't held by the teeth at all, some just dangled at a scary angle when the set was being opened by not much more than fifteen degrees, and I wondered if I'd put the booklets back in original "page" after the last time. If we consider each set a "book", it's got six pages. Five discs, six pages all with some kind of tooth-clamp holding snap-out Klingon clinging device contraption. So there should be a special page for the booklet, but I don't know which is the right one. Which is the right one?
Thank you for reading this entire post. I know you didn't though. Did you? Every word?
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Haha I did my friend. 
Yavar
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May 8, 2020 - 3:46 PM
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Has anyone prepared or seen a chronological track order guide for this set? (For the episodes contained in it, or better yet, all 79 Trek episodes?)
I started doing every single episode wen I got this set when it came out. It's taken me that many years to get through season 1, as I just finished editing Operation: Annihilate! I'll blow through 2 or 3 episodes in a month and then not do any for 6 lol
Unfortunately, I did not make any type of guides or spreadsheets for the edits/tracks used. I think I originally started to for the first few episodes, but then just sort of got tired of documenting the edits and just edited the cues without making notes.
There are a lot of cues in the tracked episodes that contain 3 or sometimes even 4 different tracks! There are also a few cues that literally have 1 or 2 seconds of just one single note at the end of a track. And I also found on at least 2 or 3 occasions that the cues sometimes had pitch or tempo changes. I believe the very last cue at the end of What Are Little Girls Made Of? is one of those instances. It's also very rare when a cue is re-used and tracked that it appears in it's full original form. Usually when tracked, a cue is shortened or has pieces here and there edited out.
I also took the time to rename tracks when they are tracked in other episodes as well as giving each cue it's own screencap of the scene it underscores.
Here's a snippet of some of the episodes I did, just to get an idea:
This Side of Paradise
What Are Little Girls Made Of?
Court Martial
Track Details
In hindsight, I sort of wish I had made an edit log so I could just share the spreadsheet with people so they could try to take a crack at it. I will say, while I think it's really fun to do, I think most people here would never want to even bother since it requires so much time and effort.
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Oh, and since it's already been mentioned - yeah, maybe my own fault for not having transported the music up to one of those 21st century "clouds" or something, but I had to open the thing EXTREMELY gingerly. The discs weren't held by the teeth at all, some just dangled at a scary angle when the set was being opened by not much more than fifteen degrees, and I wondered if I'd put the booklets back in original "page" after the last time. If we consider each set a "book", it's got six pages. Five discs, six pages all with some kind of tooth-clamp holding snap-out Klingon clinging device contraption. So there should be a special page for the booklet, but I don't know which is the right one. Which is the right one?
The booklet goes in against the empty hub that could have held a sixth disc.
This box is the soundtrack release I spent my life wishing for but never thought it would come.
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Has anyone prepared or seen a chronological track order guide for this set? (For the episodes contained in it, or better yet, all 79 Trek episodes?)
I started doing every single episode wen I got this set when it came out. It's taken me that many years to get through season 1, as I just finished editing Operation: Annihilate! I'll blow through 2 or 3 episodes in a month and then not do any for 6 lol
Unfortunately, I did not make any type of guides or spreadsheets for the edits/tracks used. I think I originally started to for the first few episodes, but then just sort of got tired of documenting the edits and just edited the cues without making notes.
There are a lot of cues in the tracked episodes that contain 3 or sometimes even 4 different tracks! There are also a few cues that literally have 1 or 2 seconds of just one single note at the end of a track. And I also found on at least 2 or 3 occasions that the cues sometimes had pitch or tempo changes. I believe the very last cue at the end of What Are Little Girls Made Of? is one of those instances. It's also very rare when a cue is re-used and tracked that it appears in it's full original form. Usually when tracked, a cue is shortened or has pieces here and there edited out.
I also took the time to rename tracks when they are tracked in other episodes as well as giving each cue it's own screencap of the scene it underscores.
Here's a snippet of some of the episodes I did, just to get an idea...
Wow. Impressive! I asked others about this some time back and I think even Jeff Bond chimed in about the monumental undertaking this would be. I'd love to have a playlist of sorts for each of the episodes...but I think I'd go crazy if I were to try it myself. Literally, I'd go mad
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Oh, and since it's already been mentioned - yeah, maybe my own fault for not having transported the music up to one of those 21st century "clouds" or something, but I had to open the thing EXTREMELY gingerly. The discs weren't held by the teeth at all, some just dangled at a scary angle when the set was being opened by not much more than fifteen degrees, and I wondered if I'd put the booklets back in original "page" after the last time. If we consider each set a "book", it's got six pages. Five discs, six pages all with some kind of tooth-clamp holding snap-out Klingon clinging device contraption. So there should be a special page for the booklet, but I don't know which is the right one. Which is the right one?
The booklet goes in against the empty hub that could have held a sixth disc.
This box is the soundtrack release I spent my life wishing for but never thought it would come.
Thanks Zap, but which "page" is the correct one? All the hubs/sprockets/denture holders look the same to me, so we could put our five CDs on any of the six hubble contraptions, thus leaving one for the booklet. But is there a correct one? I get the impression it's Page 3.
Golly yes, your last sentence resonates with me. Watching the original series on countless re-runs throughout the '70s, I kept thinking that it would be absolutely great if some "enterprising" (tee hee) record label would put out a couple of dozen LPs of all the music. Then we got this all those years later. Initially I feared that it would mean another divorce if I "secretly" bought it, but my dear wife ended up buying it for me as a Christmas present shorty after its release, and we've been together, arguing, ever since.
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I always love seeing the different music programs people use for editing, cataloging and playing their stuff. iTunes is just so ugly. For a short time, they had a lovely interface which used the album art as the background color. Someone bitched and they went back to this bland-assed imagery.
What Are Little Girls Made Of?
"Enter Andrea."
Ha, awesome.
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I started doing every single episode wen I got this set when it came out. It's taken me that many years to get through season 1, as I just finished editing Operation: Annihilate! I'll blow through 2 or 3 episodes in a month and then not do any for 6 lol
darthbrett, did you differentiate which cues were library recordings versus originals?
The two episodes I'd like the tracklist for are "City on the Edge" and "Galileo 7", even though the latter has a million edits and same cues reused, so it might be annoying to listen to.
11 of the 12 episodes in Star Trek TOS: The Roddenberry Vault (2016)
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Trek-The-Original-Series-The-Roddenberry-Vault-Blu-ray/163567/
had the music stems (exception being "City on the Edge"), but of course the volume levels need to be corrected. That might be easier than having to collate the cues.
I did. It is interesting that both the originals and library alternates would get used in tracked episodes, too. Guess the music editor would pick whichever version they thought sounded best and go with it. A lot of times the re-edited cues contain an original recording of one track edited with an alternate of another track. Galileo 7 indeed had a ton of editing. So far, I would say the episodes with the most edits involved were "The Alternative Factor", "Balance of Terror", "A Taste of Armageddon", "The Devil in the Dark" and "This Side of Paradise".
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I did one episode. The Corbomite Maneuver. That wore me out. Just the thought of Balance of Terror made me abandon the project. Honestly, what works in an episode won't necessarily stand as a listening experience. I give you props for sticking with it.
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Forgive the newbie to this set here, but what does the M with a number next to it stand for in each track??
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Forgive the newbie to this set here, but what does the M with a number next to it stand for in each track??
As I understand it, this was the I.D. number linking each cue in the paperwork to its position on the physical tape reel, so the cues could all be accurately found on the tapes. M stands for music, if I recall.
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Forgive the newbie to this set here, but what does the M with a number next to it stand for in each track??
As I understand it, this was the I.D. number linking each cue in the paperwork to its position on the physical tape reel, so the cues could all be accurately found on the tapes. M stands for music, if I recall.
Ah ok thanks! The only other time I remember seeing this was with some tracks on the "TON: Ron Jones" box, but not all had them. Difference is that looks like ALL of the "TOS" have them.
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Most or all of us can easily reproduce these edits in GarageBand, yet another reason why I love that we were able to get all this music out--if you're crazy enough you can literally recreate every musical moment of the series...
I tried it a time or two. "Easy" isn't exactly the word I would use. Of course that was also back when the set was a lot newer to me and I didn't know it as well. But still, not for the faint of heart.
And yes, it's terrific that ALL the music is there.
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