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 Posted:   May 6, 2020 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I went with the clear ones because I knew they would be sturdier. They are, and they look classier too IMO. I would think chiseling out the disc holder prongs might leave tiny sharp edges that could scratch the booklets so I wouldn't do that. I've always kept them separate because even the original cases left hub marks, and I don't think I've seen a clamshell that works adequately with such thick booklets so it wasn't a big deal to me anyway. I have other collections in the same boat, so I've got a nice (?) stack of booklets in my CD cabinet. If you must keep them in the case, perhaps one possibility is sanding down what remains after removing the prongs so everything is smooth.

You might be right about the hinged holders, which I wasn't crazy about on the original cases. It's been long enough that I can't remember how the replacements came exactly. I do know I combined pieces to get a solid, clear quad case with an extra holder for the fifth disc and easy hubs, and I love it that way. Especially keeping the artwork secure under the inside holder that snaps down.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2020 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The Trek cases, and my generic, are 6-disc cases. Your link goes to a 5-disc case, so I'm wondering where the empty slot is (I can't tell from the store pics). If it's in the hub frame (where the booklet sits in the original) and they kept it shallow, that might work. But if it's one of the cd holder things, probably would have the same problem.

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2020 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I luckily haven't had a disc problem - I can't imagine not contacting LLL about that - but the jewel cases keep spontaneously cracking horizontally. They seem to be proprietary so ordinary replacements aren't completely compatible with the black trays, the hub, the booklets, or the box. LLL eventually replaced 2 rather than tell me where to buy them (afraid I'm a bootlegger?). But those are cracking too. The box is sitting on a shelf with other cds and boxsets, and this has happened at two different addresses. I handle them carefully and don't play them all the time. Perhaps when it's hot the plastic expands but can't go anywhere because of the box, but why only this set? Totally bizarre, like a curse.

These are the replacement cases I've used on the entire set. They're much sturdier, solid and use traditional hubs. I can't speak to how they hold the booklets as I've chosen to keep those separate, but they work perfectly with everything else including the box.

https://www.buymediasupply.com/24mm-clear-quintuple-5-discs-cd-jewel-case/

Edit: seeing their note about not holding artwork, I think I must have combined pieces with their 4-disc case which does hold artwork. Sorry, this was years ago. I know I bought both and recall combining pieces. Doing the same should get you a 5-disc that works (minus the booklet).

https://www.buymediasupply.com/22mm-clear-quad-4-discs-cd-jewel-case/


@ Mr. Travelling Matt (clever pseudo BTW): Thanks for the sound advice. I'll be ordering some.

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2020 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

The Trek cases, and my generic, are 6-disc cases. Your link goes to a 5-disc case, so I'm wondering where the empty slot is (I can't tell from the store pics). If it's in the hub frame (where the booklet sits in the original) and they kept it shallow, that might work. But if it's one of the cd holder things, probably would have the same problem.

I think the 5-disc cases are usually the same molds as the 6-discs, but with one inner tray (within the frame) missing a hub entirely. Like the backside of a 1-disc tray. So that might work. I'm not sure why I didn't do that. I think the finished case was slightly more compact than the originals (due to the sturdier materials and addition of a standard front/back tray) and I probably didn't feel comfortable squeezing the booklet in.

@ Mr. Travelling Matt (clever pseudo BTW): Thanks for the sound advice. I'll be ordering some.

Happy to help. Keep in mind it's been several years and my memory is fuzzy overall on this, so don't hold me to every detail. And if you want the artwork underneath a standard clear tray on the front and back, the 5-disc isn't going to be enough. You'll need the 4-disc cases as well for those pieces. Just want to make it clear you need to assemble from both.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2020 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

Thanks, Matt, but I'd like to include the booklets which are too thick for the replacement case. I suppose I could chisel out the disc holder prongs so it could lay flatter. Did you actually get the all-clear version, or the other model with black hub and black cd holders? The black plastic is flimsier on the one I bought and one snap-in cd holder was broken already. The only positive was I only had to order one.

I think the original 5-disc version is correct. They say it doesn't hold artwork because it might fall out with the hinged cd holders, but that's the same with the original cases.


I ordered these. The booklet fits in the same place as the original. I had to order 10. I would be happy to mail one to you.

https://www.checkoutstore.com/collections/cases/products/quintuple-5-disc-cd-jewel-case?variant=31757554909243
It does allow for artwork and where the booklet goes is flush not raised for a CD.. I needed it for the Lalo FSM set.
Chris

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2020 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I ordered these. The booklet fits in the same place as the original. I had to order 10. I would be happy to mail one to you.

https://www.checkoutstore.com/collections/cases/products/quintuple-5-disc-cd-jewel-case?variant=31757554909243
It does allow for artwork and where the booklet goes is flush not raised for a CD.. I needed it for the Lalo FSM set.
Chris


Thanks for the offer, Chris. I wouldn't mind buying 2 or 3 if you had extras, but I'd want to make sure the Trek booklets would fit first. Do you have the boxset? I don't know how thick the Lalo FSM booklet is.
And the original frame's space for the booklet is a hair wider, which helped accommodate the booklet when it got flattened into the case. So it's the width as well as depth.

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2020 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

This is now out-of-print at LLL.

Wow! I just bought an extra copy from LLL for 30% off. This is one of the greatest box sets ever.
I guess they sold all 6,000 copies pressed since its release in 2012....


No. MV said in his above post that they sold over 4000 units but decided to stop there. Never made it to the full 6000 pressings.


Should have been limited to 1701! Missed opportunity. But oh boy, imagine the cost per set to make that profitable for LLL?

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2020 - 5:40 PM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

I ordered these. The booklet fits in the same place as the original. I had to order 10. I would be happy to mail one to you.

https://www.checkoutstore.com/collections/cases/products/quintuple-5-disc-cd-jewel-case?variant=31757554909243
It does allow for artwork and where the booklet goes is flush not raised for a CD.. I needed it for the Lalo FSM set.
Chris


Thanks for the offer, Chris. I wouldn't mind buying 2 or 3 if you had extras, but I'd want to make sure the Trek booklets would fit first. Do you have the boxset? I don't know how thick the Lalo FSM booklet is.
And the original frame's space for the booklet is a hair wider, which helped accommodate the booklet when it got flattened into the case. So it's the width as well as depth.


Yes, I am talking about the ST box. The booklet fits. I just tried it. If you want a couple email me at cfcoyle at hotmail .com

And there not for sale.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2020 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   Dr Smith   (Member)

4000 copies is still a lot of Box Sets at $225 each.This is a big investment in the digital age.

As for the integrity/durability of CD cases generally, especially large multi-disc packages; they are incredibly fragile, and nearly impossible to keep intact. I am extremely obsessive and careful with my multi-CD sets, but the inner tabs or outer hinges frequently disintegrate,creating an unstable mass of valuable CDs.

There must be a more durable plastic available for CDs than what's been used since the mid-1980's.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2020 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   Dr Smith   (Member)

4000 copies is still a lot of Box Sets at $225 each.This is a big investment in the digital age.

As for the integrity/durability of CD cases generally, especially large multi-disc packages; they are incredibly fragile, and nearly impossible to keep intact. I am extremely obsessive and careful with my multi-CD sets, but the inner tabs or outer hinges frequently disintegrate,creating an unstable mass of valuable CDs.

There must be a more durable plastic available for CDs than what's been used since the mid-1980's.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2020 - 6:49 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Yes, I am talking about the ST box. The booklet fits. I just tried it. If you want a couple email me at cfcoyle at hotmail .com

And there not for sale.


I sent you an email. Let me at least pay for the shipping. smile

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2020 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Two of my 5-disc jewel cases developed some minor horizontal cracks across the center but I can't really say it bothers me. LLL had to find a balance of less expensive materials in order to make the set affordable to their customers.

When the set was announced in 2012 I was envisioning a long box lined up with 15 individual standard jewel cases with artwork for each. Of course, had they done that, the set would have cost more than $300 I'm sure and had higher shipping costs for the additional size/weight so they obviously had to go with the per-season 5-disc cases with thinner plastic to save weight, size and cost. They succeeded magnificently in producing what is, in my opinion, the best box set ever released. I'm forever grateful.

 
 
 Posted:   May 7, 2020 - 4:59 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Two of my 5-disc jewel cases developed some minor horizontal cracks across the center but I can't really say it bothers me. LLL had to find a balance of less expensive materials in order to make the set affordable to their customers.

For the record, I never said LLL used poor material, and I'm not sure that would explain it all. All the trays cracked horizontally, some straight across like they were going to split in two. It's bizarre. One insert looked like water had gotten into a crack and caused ink to drip down - which LLL thankfully replaced without question. Again, how could this happen just sitting in the box on a shelf with other cds?
My only "complaint" is they are unusual cases so the parts are not easily replaced. I don't expect or want to rely on LLL to replace broken cases years after a purchase.
I know it would have bumped up the price to use single/double disc cases instead, but they are easier to replace. And just as importantly, although it's not logical, I would have enjoyed them being separated with more artwork. Each disc or two deserves it.
http://www.startreksoundtracks.com/tos/tos-collection.html

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2020 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Two of my 5-disc jewel cases developed some minor horizontal cracks across the center but I can't really say it bothers me. LLL had to find a balance of less expensive materials in order to make the set affordable to their customers.

For the record, I never said LLL used poor material, and I'm not sure that would explain it all. All the trays cracked horizontally, some straight across like they were going to split in two. It's bizarre. One insert looked like water had gotten into a crack and caused ink to drip down - which LLL thankfully replaced without question. Again, how could this happen just sitting in the box on a shelf with other cds?



Do you live alone? Does anyone (even say, a landlord's handyman) have access to your things when you aren't looking? If mishandling behind your back is not the answer, and it's not sitting by a furnace vent, nor in the path of sunlight from a window, and no water leaked on it, then all I can think of is a manufacturer's defect.

All this talk made me get out my own physical box and inspect the hell out of it. The cases, CDs, and booklets remain as perfect as can be humanly expected, and just like I left them after scanning the graphics and storing the box away in 2012. Even I'm happy with it, and I'm pretty fussy about my collectibles.

 
 
 Posted:   May 7, 2020 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I've moved 3 times in the same local area, so the only constant factor is the weather, and I'm thinking summer heat and humidity might have had an effect. But it's never happened to any other cd or boxset, and continues to happen with the replacement cases from LLL. I live alone, and I doubt landlords in the past targeted just this set. It's vexing.
Of course, I'd be just as happy to get this music even if LLL sent loose discs in a used Taco Bell bag.

 
 
 Posted:   May 7, 2020 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   clarkkent41   (Member)

Hi MV-

The Star Trek TOS box is no longer showing available on the site. Has it sold out?

Thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   May 7, 2020 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Hi MV-

The Star Trek TOS box is no longer showing available on the site. Has it sold out?

Thanks!


He mentioned the status in the LLL Questions thread.
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=122&threadID=118900&archive=0

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2020 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Hi MV-

The Star Trek TOS box is no longer showing available on the site. Has it sold out?


I'm not MV but I can tell you the set is now out-of-print. Meaning - it is no longer being manufactured.

 
 
 Posted:   May 7, 2020 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   clarkkent41   (Member)

Thank you, Adam B. Appreciate it.

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2020 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Replicant006   (Member)

Hi MV-

The Star Trek TOS box is no longer showing available on the site. Has it sold out?


I'm not MV but I can tell you the set is now out-of-print. Meaning - it is no longer being manufactured.


I don't know about you guys, but I'd shit myself if I'd somehow missed this amazing set. I'd easily pay twice the price and grab it from anywhere I could. Just the other day I was taking stock of all of the boxed sets I have on my shelf (Planet of the Apes, Spartacus, Lost in Space, Ten Commandments, etc.) and wondering what held the most value for me. Without a doubt it is this release.

 
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