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Nov 29, 2010 - 7:30 PM
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Khan
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Then, you should have pre ordered from WBR. But, apparently, the money savings from Amazon meant more to you than the concrete assurance that you would receive the Elfman/Burton box set had you pre ordered directly from WBR. That was a serious leap of faith on your part that a 1000 piece limited edition would have sufficient supply to fulfill pre orders from Amazon (or, for that matter, any other reseller).
And, please, stop trying to rationalize your choice by griping about international shipping, taxes, duties, etc., because you live in Europe. That would be like an American complaining about much higher gas prices in the US than in Saudi Arabia.
AJ
The products were bought on the understanding it was an issue of 1000. If, say, 300 were available through Amazon, it is WB who sanctioned them being there and sold them to Amazon for distribution.
Of course, the real problem here is that WB lied and decided the 1000 edition would not be made, and that they would change their minds and make several thousands more because they'd underestimated the demand. Everything was halted at their end and a single, much bigger run was scheduled, which would not be ready till February. There never was and never will be a limited edition of 1000 produced. They'll all be the same. But to fob off the original buyers, they fabricated an idea to include an afterthought bonus CD to keep them quiet. They've reneged on their initial contract with those who ordered the so-called limited edition of 1000, but it looks like most here are easily appeased.
You sure do like to spout off a lot of opinion as fact without any support to back up your claims.
Do you have any concrete proof? Any evidence that isn't pure speculation?
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Nov 30, 2010 - 12:36 AM
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AJ
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The proof is your shelf at home which will now be devoid of anything resembling a Zoetrope until February, while you wait for them to manufacture several thousands of these things (as opposed to just the limited 1000 originally advertised) in a single production run.
That is in no way proof that WBR "lied," only that WBR encountered unexpected circumstances and, as a result, changed plans. Now, you could certainly argue that WBR has mishandled the sales & distribution of the Elfman/Burton set. I would even tend to agree w/ that assertion. Assuredly, WBR is a bureaucratic giant and, unlike Intrada or Varese Sarabande, has shown inexperience in managing such a specialized, limited release as this. But in no way does that prove deception, as you libelously claim.
"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."
AJ
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Nov 30, 2010 - 1:31 AM
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Martin B.
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The products were bought on the understanding it was an issue of 1000. If, say, 300 were available through Amazon, it is WB who sanctioned them being there and sold them to Amazon for distribution.
Of course, the real problem here is that WB lied and decided the 1000 edition would not be made, and that they would change their minds and make several thousands more because they'd underestimated the demand. Everything was halted at their end and a single, much bigger run was scheduled, which would not be ready till February. There never was and never will be a limited edition of 1000 produced. They'll all be the same. But to fob off the original buyers, they fabricated an idea to include an afterthought bonus CD to keep them quiet. They've reneged on their initial contract with those who ordered the so-called limited edition of 1000, but it looks like most here are easily appeased.
I'm glad we have someone here who is involved in this set at all levels and who can come on this board and tell us what is really going on (even if it changes over time).
Let's just say for a splot second that what you are saying is correct. You know something?
I don't care
I don't care if they make more than 1000 available
I don't care if they do / don't make the bonus CD available to others
I don't care if the bonus CD was only thought about to "keep us quiet"
I don't care if I received it in November or next July (which is likely knowing Royal Mail)
I've ordered this set. I'm happy with my order. I'm happy to receive it whenever it arrives. I'm happy to have a bonus CD/signature which I didn't know about when I ordered. I'm happy with the price I paid and with the taxes I will pay on importing it.
I'm sorry, but all your negative comments aren't making me want to cancel my order in protest. This thread just seems to be going around in circles.
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I did copy & paste from a post from October 1st in the first Elfman box thread:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=72470&forumID=1&archive=0
So if I am reading that right, you only were able to secure licenses from all the various studios who own that music for 1,000 copies, and no more can be pressed after all 1,000 are sold out?
JayL if you watch the 2 min clip on the website @ 1.43, it states 'Numbered First Run, Limited Edition of 1,000' so maybe Richard can elaborate more in the future.
Richard, it certainly looks like a great set and you're going to trigger more cost debates than Spartacus ! All credit for putting the E&B set together.
Clear as the water that WB edition was NUMBERED FIRST RUN, LIMITED EDITION OF 1000. Everyone watched this and everyone knew this fact.
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Clear as the water that WB edition was NUMBERED FIRST RUN, LIMITED EDITION OF 1000. Everyone watched this and everyone knew this fact.
Well the point is they didn't and went on their merry way, causing Richard and WB a lot of grief in the process. Unfortunate, but now that it's resolved, perhaps people will take more care in the future to understand what it is they're buying, instead of assuming.
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. Somewhat devalues the "limited" & "collectors" aspect.
that's right.
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Nov 30, 2010 - 5:13 AM
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Scott
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I believe the set was originally announced as a limited 1000 piece run. With that in mind one would think that WB would have sold amazon some of it's stock from that 1000 batch. Otherwise, why would amazon offer the set in the first place?
Nope, probably not. Most likely, WBR offered Amazon (and other resellers) an opportunity to take pre orders on any limited edition sets that WBR itself had left over after its own sales. (As evidence, note that Amazon's original release date was later than WBR's release date.) However, WBR, perhaps to its own surprise, sold out the full 1000 by mid November. So, WBR had no excess inventory nor any need for the resellers. At that point, WBR told Amazon something to the effect, "We're sold out. Thanks, though." And Amazon responded, "But, hey, wait, we have XXX number of pre orders." And that number of pre orders was unexpectedly high, thus, the unlimited edition was born to fill that unmet demand and save face for the resellers.
AJ
Even your not sure what WB did. However, I do believe your right. Either way, this whole thing is a fiasco.
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