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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17      General Discussion: Godzilla Showa Era on CD and More    FIRST   PRIOR   13 14 15 16 17    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 3:36 PM     By:   increbula   (Member) I'm sure they had their reasons for not copying it into tape. However, I would much rather have them sacrifice a single cue than risk everything they have end up destroyed in a fire (the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few). Besides, the source we do have (lifted directly from the film) is largely devoid of dialogue and background noise. Granted, it doesn't sound all that great, but I doubt the original optical recording would have sounded better. Of course, I certainly agree they made the right decision, and the film dub does sound perfectly fine. I was just curious! DB-46 M-19 was recorded with the child cries. The cue sheets on both sets of tapes take note of that. What I'm most curious about is where in hell the final film take of DB-11 M-7 went. If one compares the surviving take and the take heard in the film, the film take concludes at a slower tempo. That's a good question. I didn't realize they were different takes until you pointed it out.    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 3:42 PM     By:   Ostinato   (Member) Of course, I certainly agree they made the right decision, and the film dub does sound perfectly fine. I was just curious! You and I both! The magnetic film (Cinetape) music elements don't even have it. Instead, it's an edit of DB-53 M-23 and "Prayer for Peace". There is a cue number for "Prayer for Peace", which is simply PS. That's a good question. I didn't realize they were different takes until you pointed it out. That's why those at Toho Music included it directly from the film as a bonus track for the Perfect Collection release. By the way, the Cinetape music elements also only include the first take.    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 3:45 PM     By:   increbula   (Member) I was just listening to the Cinema Kan edition of "Dogora" - another fine reissue. The bonus tracks are a fascinating listen, with so many familiar themes presented in much earlier film incarnations. Is it any wonder that Ifukube is my favorite self-plagiarist?    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 3:52 PM     By:   Ostinato   (Member) I was just listening to the Cinema Kan edition of "Dogera" - another fine reissue. The bonus tracks are a fascinating listen, with so many familiar themes presented in much earlier film incarnations. Is it any wonder that Ifukube is my favorite self-plagiarist? A lengthy battle cue from "Castle of Flames" (1960) was to be included, but the tapes were lost. I believe only some of the Pre-scoring cues survive. Anyway, cue consists of the "Whale God" opening theme, the "Godzilla" '54 title theme and some of the march from "The Mysterians". I love the reuse of music. I like getting the most out of something, so using something only once is a total waste. Therefore, I love the fact that Ifukube often reused his music. Composers such as Masaru Sato, Riichiro Manabe, Yasushi Akutagawa and Chumei Watanabe are also examples of Japanese composers who reused their music. Hell, I even reuse my own music for new compositions.    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:00 PM     By:   increbula   (Member) A battle cue from "Castle of Flames" (1960) was to be included, but the tapes were lost. I believe only some of the Pre-scoring cues survive. Anyway, cue consists of the "Whale God" opening theme, the "Godzilla" '54 title theme and some of the march from "The Mysterians". Wow - that would have been interesting to hear! I love the reuse of music. I like getting the most out of something, so using something only once is a total waste. Therefore, I love the fact that Ifukube often reused his music. Yes, I agree. It's fascinating to trace the development and varied arrangements of his work over the decades. Considering the speed at which some of those films (and scores) were cranked out, it's unlikely that the studios even noticed! SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: I hereby propose "The Ifukube Challenge". Who among us would dare to compile the definitive film versions of each of the maestro's famous themes? (Hint: not me!)    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:08 PM     By:   Ostinato   (Member) Wow - that would have been interesting to hear! Oh, it definitely is! Yes, I agree. It's fascinating to trace the development and varied arrangements of his work over the decades. Considering the speed at which some of those films (and scores) were cranked out, it's unlikely that the studios even noticed! SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: I hereby propose "The Ifukube Challenge". Who among us would dare to compile the definitive film versions of each of the maestro's famous themes? (Hint: not me!) Indeed! I enjoy all of the variations of the material he used. Speaking of "Dogora", my favorite variation of the Air Corps March (the first half of DB-11 M-16A-2) is from "The Great Wall" (1962). "The Ifukube Challenge"!? I still need to view every single film he scored before I can begin. I've seen a large number, but not quite all of them.    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:12 PM     By:   increbula   (Member) Indeed! I enjoy all of the variations of the material he used. Speaking of "Dogora", my favorite variation of the Air Corps March (the first half of DB-11 M-16A-2) is from "The Great Wall" (1962). "The Ifukube Challenge"!? I still need to view every single film he scored before I can begin. I've seen a large number, but not quite all of them. Well, I would certainly say you lead the pack. POP QUIZ: Has Ifukube's "Volcano" ever appeared in an earlier form?    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:15 PM     By:   Ostinato   (Member) Well, I would certainly say you lead the pack. POP QUIZ: Has Ifukube's "Volcano" ever appeared in an earlier form? So far, I've yet to encounter it other than in the Mitsubishi Future Pavillion score, the trailer for "Godzilla vs. Hedorah" and its use in "Godzilla vs. Gigan". "Storm", on the other hand, was used in "The Devil's Temple" (1969).    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:18 PM     By:   increbula   (Member) So far, I've yet to encounter it other than in the Mitsubishi Future Pavillion score, the trailer for "Godzilla vs. Hedorah" and its use in "Godzilla vs. Gigan". Right - and it's the same recording for all three. A rare, unique theme for Ifukube (as far as we know)!    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:32 PM     By:   Ostinato   (Member) Right - and it's the same recording for all three. A rare, unique theme for Ifukube (as far as we know)! Indeed! If curious, the following films include the Dogora Air Corps March material in some form or fashion: "The Great Wall" (1962) "Dogora" (1964), obviously. "The Last Woman of Shang" (1964) "Tokugawa Ieyasu" (1965) "Adventure in Kigan Castle" (1966) "Dozoku no ranjo" (1991) "Kushiro Marshland" (1993) Yes, I've seen all of the films listed.    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:35 PM     By:   increbula   (Member) Nitrate film was highly volatile and flammable and was known for spontaneously combusting. Major studio fires in Hollywood occurred due to nitrate film combusting. If that happened to Toho, then most if not all of the film negatives and/or positives as well as the scores they have stored would have perished. I have an idea. Can we get someone to plant a strip of nitrate film in the warehouse that stocks all of those unsold Toho Music CDs? Then Cinema Kan will have a better shot at reissuing them properly.    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:36 PM     By:   Ostinato   (Member) I have an idea. Can we get someone to plant a strip of nitrate film in the warehouse that stocks all of those unsold Toho Music CDs? Then Cinema Kan will have a better shot at reissuing them properly. Oh, my God! That's got to be the most hilarious thing I've read or heard in quite a while!    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:42 PM     By:   increbula   (Member) If curious, the following films include the Dogora Air Corps March material in some form or fashion: "The Great Wall" (1962) "Dogora" (1964), obviously. "The Last Woman of Shang" (1964) "Tokugawa Ieyasu" (1965) "Adventure in Kigan Castle" (1966) "Dozoku no ranjo" (1991) "Kushiro Marshland" (1993) I knew about the last three for sure, with "Kigan" featuring a particularly strong version (if not definitive).    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:48 PM     By:   Ostinato   (Member) I knew about the last three for sure, with "Kigan" featuring a particularly strong version (if not definitive). Yeah, it's great! By the way, "The Last Woman of Shang" is probably the best example of Ifukube shamelessly reusing his music. The main theme was also the theme for "Teikoku Bank Incident: Prisoner on Death Row", released earlier in 1964. In addition, the Godzilla theme is heard (essentially a combination of the "Mothra vs. Godzilla" and "King Kong vs. Godzilla" variations), and even the march from "The Mysterians" makes an appearance. Almost every single cue is shamelessly reused material.    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:51 PM     By:   increbula   (Member) By the way, "The Last Woman of Shang" is probably the best example of Ifukube shamelessly reusing his music. The main theme was also the theme for "Teikoku Bank Incident: Prisoner on Death Row", released earlier in 1964. In addition, the Godzilla theme is heard (essentially a combination of the "Mothra vs. Godzilla" and "King Kong vs. Godzilla" variations), and even the march from "The Mysterians" makes an appearance. Almost every single cue is shamelessly reused material. Wow - sounds like a precursor to "Gigan" (except it's Ifukube who did the recycling).    Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 4:58 PM     By:   Ostinato   (Member) Wow - sounds like a precursor to "Gigan" (except it's Ifukube who did the recycling). Actually, Ifukube might as well have had random cues from a number of his scores be sent to the music department at Shaw Brothers for them to stitch together for the film. Funny enough, Shaw Brothers used cues from "Daimajin" for their films and even had his Godzilla theme material for "The Last Woman of Shang" re-recorded for other films.    Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 9:29 AM     By:   increbula   (Member) All of this makes me wonder if Ifukube had his own stock names or numbers for his themes. I can imagine his thought process now: "Hmm...I can use an uptempo 'B-6' for this desert chase scene. And a low brass version of 'F-11' would work wonders for the crumbling palace near the end..."    Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 12:40 PM     By:   Ostinato   (Member) All of this makes me wonder if Ifukube had his own stock names or numbers for his themes. I can imagine his thought process now: "Hmm...I can use an uptempo 'B-6' for this desert chase scene. And a low brass version of 'F-11' would work wonders for the crumbling palace near the end..." That would actually be quite hilarious. He may have gone back to the manuscripts of various scores, and picked what to reuse for his next. You reminded me of what I do with my own music. I have a collection of short pieces floating around in my head. When I want to create something "new", I take a combination of those pieces, stitch them together, make changes here and there and before I know it, I have my "new" composition.    Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 12:55 PM     By:   increbula   (Member) You reminded me of what I do with my own music. I have a collection of short pieces floating around in my head. When I want to create something "new", I take a combination of those pieces, stitch them together, make changes here and there and before I know it, I have my "new" composition. Congratulations! You are an official practitioner of "The Ifukube Method". In a few more years, you'll be ready to premiere your own "Symphonic Fantasia".    Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 2:32 PM     By:   MMM   (Member) You reminded me of what I do with my own music. I have a collection of short pieces floating around in my head. When I want to create something "new", I take a combination of those pieces, stitch them together, make changes here and there and before I know it, I have my "new" composition. When composer Ernest Gold passed away, his family asked me to help archive his musical possessions. His piano was in his studio, and when I opened the piano bench, inside were endless fragments of musical ideas, many on small pieces of paper. These were all things Ernest had composed but never used them. I'm sure from time-to-time when he needed some ideas he'd open the bench and grab a few of them for inspiration...     General Discussion: Godzilla Showa Era on CD and More    << < 13 14 15 16 17  > >>  Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17

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