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 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   James Goldstein   (Member)

Ideally, you want to sell all three to the customer, so why not sell them in a more spaced out manner? If you ask me, it's why LLL has so many titles sitting around unsold.

Where is the practical difference (customer-wise) between "a more spaced out manner" and "sitting around unsold"?


It's just hard to afford everything in one day. My checks are also divided upon my kids and their savings, my bills, etc. I can spare only so much at one given time, or week. I imagine many others are like this too, hence the "complaining" of being broke every time the market is saturated with new CDs. Again, I'm not willing to place everything on credit; that's a terrible thing to do, and it's just too bad that's what the market is catering to. Hard working people need a bit more space for these great titles, but because they are limited to so little, we miss out often times on little jewels. It's just disheartening.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   KubrickFan   (Member)


It's just hard to afford everything in one day. My checks are also divided upon my kids and their savings, my bills, etc. I can spare only so much at one given time, or week. I imagine many others are like this too, hence the "complaining" of being broke every time the market is saturated with new CDs. Again, I'm not willing to place everything on credit; that's a terrible thing to do, and it's just too bad that's what the market is catering to. Hard working people need a bit more space for these great titles, but because they are limited to so little, we miss out often times on little jewels. It's just disheartening.


Why would you miss out on First Knight? It's limited to 5000 copies, and most likely won't be sold out in 24 hours or so. Like Star Trek V, it will be around for a while. Wait until you feel you can spend the 30 bucks, and then buy it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith played "musical chairs" with track titles when the original album was produced, taking some of his cue titles and applying them to different music for the album. For contractual reasons, those titles had to be retained for the album presentation, but it was not possible to apply the same titles to the corresponding music on the disc 1 full score presentation because that would have created a situation where previously unreleased tracks had their titles taken away! So disc 1, the full score, has all of the original manuscript and cue sheet titles, even though some of those same titles on the original album are for different music. It's an odd "east is east and west is west" situation. Jeff Bond's notes explain the assembly of the original album and what cues the tracks on it are called on the full score.
Mike


That's interesting, thanks Mike!

I can understand why the album presentation retains the original album track titles, and it's proper that they do because that's how Goldsmith intended it.

But if disc 1 is titled according to the original manuscripts it seems a bit odd that "Never Surrender" follows "Arthur's Farewell". Is it safe to assume the following:

22. Arthur's Farewell - this is actually the big action set piece at the end (with chorus), i.e. Never Surrender
23. Never Surrender - this is actually Arthur's farewell and funeral
24. Camelot Lives - this is the end title (which I always thought was created in post, but maybe not?)

22 and 23 are clearly titled the wrong way round - is this really how they were titled on the cue sheet?

Or is it a typo in the announcement (or, heaven forbid, on the package itself)?

Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

It's just hard to afford everything in one day.

If "so many titles sitting around unsold" you can pick them up whenever it suits you, can't you?

Hard working people need a bit more space for these great titles, but because they are limited to so little, we miss out often times on little jewels.

Although I can see your point the labels don't exist to plan their schedule around every customer's financial situation, do they?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Hey I'm in poverty. Just laid off. No job. So I know what I can and can't afford.

First Knight - I can swing it as I'm selling some stuff to fund it - goodbye, Cliffhanger expanded big grin

The MOH box...well it'll take some work on that one. But likely, yep, some CD's or DVD sets will be sold to get the money. I have more CD's than I can listen to and some DVD's maybe get watched once a year. Some will not be missed.

If you really want something...there's a way to get it. if you're working or not, there's a way. Just budget yourself.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   BasilFSM   (Member)

Interesting discussion.

I'll be picking up the MOH box, and then that will be the last of this month's paycheck used up. First Knight and DC Showcase will have to wait. No more spending until May, unless something I REALLY want gets released and sells out, or unless I can sell some other rare CDs. Just the way things roll, I guess.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Frank Vincent   (Member)

Edit.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Frank Vincent   (Member)

Edit.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   Sutter Cane   (Member)

Thank god for credit,is all.Sure i will be working to paying my cards off for a few years but its worth it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

like STAR TREK V this could have easily been a GREAT single disc release.
pass on both for economic reasons and the fact that i have most of the music already

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Thank god for credit,is all.Sure i will be working to paying my cards off for a few years but its worth it.

That's fine until you realise you're paying 10 CDs worth of interest on your card every month!

That's money down the toilet. Literally.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

like STAR TREK V this could have easily been a GREAT single disc release.
pass on both for economic reasons and the fact that i have most of the music already






...playing just for you.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

"dont cry for me Mutantenia...."
brm

ps is Buscemi measuring the size of your member?

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Henry Jones   (Member)

"dont cry for me Mutantenia...."
brm

ps is Buscemi measuring the size of your member?


Très fin monsieur Marshall, très fin...

If you're thinking about THAT when you see this picture, then, we all finally understand here more about you.

You have all my compassion.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Um....it looks to me that there's plenty of alternates on disc 2. Even without the album there's almost 30 minutes of stuff and a completely full disc 1. I personally would have prefered disc 2 to be just the new stuff....but unlike some other releases at least it's not completely redundant. They could have just as easily made one disc 55 minutes and the other 52. Would you still complain then?

I don't like the 'album' version myself....but it's not a HUGE deal in this case.


Incidently, it's actually $1 cheaper to order the MoH set from Moviemusic.com if they honor their $1 shipping for three items (unless the "will be added" means ON TOP OF the normal shipping price?). I'm willing to order direct from Lala, but not for so much extra because of shipping costs...if it's $7 for MoH + First Knight, I'll order from Lala right off...

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

Pretty sure the 7 dollars is ON TOP of the normal shipping. Thought I read somewhere that the shipping for the box was going to be 11 dollars. I could be wrong though, it HAS happened before.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

(bah)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

Must confess I feel the same way. At 5000 it's going to hang around for a little while, so I can budget for it. But I'd probably buy it sooner if it had been one disc and $10 cheaper. Having another copy of the original album tacked on doesn't add anything but cost for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Pretty sure the 7 dollars is ON TOP of the normal shipping. Thought I read somewhere that the shipping for the box was going to be 11 dollars. I could be wrong though, it HAS happened before.


Yep, total shipping is $11.00 per my order

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2011 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

That's interesting, thanks Mike!

I can understand why the album presentation retains the original album track titles, and it's proper that they do because that's how Goldsmith intended it.

But if disc 1 is titled according to the original manuscripts it seems a bit odd that "Never Surrender" follows "Arthur's Farewell". Is it safe to assume the following:

22. Arthur's Farewell - this is actually the big action set piece at the end (with chorus), i.e. Never Surrender
23. Never Surrender - this is actually Arthur's farewell and funeral
24. Camelot Lives - this is the end title (which I always thought was created in post, but maybe not?)

22 and 23 are clearly titled the wrong way round - is this really how they were titled on the cue sheet?

Or is it a typo in the announcement (or, heaven forbid, on the package itself)?

Thanks!


My note was a heads-up intended to indicate that things are not as they seem when looking at the track list. I would have preferred to have the booklet explain it, but here's the deal: "Arthur's Farewell" is 15M2/16M1 and the album kept this title. The cue written as "Never Surrender" is 16M2 and is called "Camelot Lives" on the album. The cue actually called "Camelot Lives" is 16M3 and was called "Promise Me" on the album. That should clarify the dilemma we were faced with and why it ended up the way it did. The score is in the correct order.

Mike

 
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