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 Posted:   Mar 25, 2018 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Just noticed that the next pressing batch is now in stock at LLL, in case anyone is interested.

I've read a bunch of anticipatory posts here, but not too much as far as reviews go.

Would this be a good one to grab first, please?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2018 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Just noticed that the next pressing batch is now in stock at LLL, in case anyone is interested.

I've read a bunch of anticipatory posts here, but not too much as far as reviews go.

Would this be a good one to grab first, please?


Oh I think it's a good edition to grab, especially if you like this score. I've had this edition since Christmas and really like it.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2018 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Just noticed that the next pressing batch is now in stock at LLL, in case anyone is interested.

I've read a bunch of anticipatory posts here, but not too much as far as reviews go.

Would this be a good one to grab first, please?


Oh I think it's a good edition to grab, especially if you like this score. I've had this edition since Christmas and really like it.


Thanks a bunch!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2018 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   scoreaholic   (Member)

I bought this when it first came out. Definitely get this if you like the score!

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2018 - 6:32 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It's an absolutely fantastic release. I love every note of the complete score, though for listening I tend to prefer the album version (also included, rebuilt).

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2018 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

It's an absolutely fantastic release. I love every note of the complete score, though for listening I tend to prefer the album version (also included, rebuilt).

I'm just breaking into this score and appreciating it (I'm weird, as apart from Close Encounters I generally prefer the less popular Williams scores like Fury and Black Friday).

One thing I know comes with LLL: great packaging and sound.

Besides, I've got other stuff in my cart, can save on shipping wink

I'm still undecided on the Close Encounters and Omen anniversaries; I really love my Arista's Collector's and Varese Deluxe of the respective. It's just that I KNOW the LLL will be extremely good.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2018 - 4:27 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

.....I generally prefer the less popular Williams scores like The Fury and Black Friday.

Hmmm...was that a sequel to Black Sunday? wink

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2018 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

.....I generally prefer the less popular Williams scores like The Fury and Black Friday.

Hmmm...was that a sequel to Black Sunday? wink


Arrgh! You got me, Adam and HI! smile

Black Sunday is a recent first-time listen for me and BOY do I like that score! \m/

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2018 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

.....I generally prefer the less popular Williams scores like The Fury and Black Friday.

Hmmm...was that a sequel to Black Sunday? wink


Arrgh! You got me, Adam and HI! smile

Black Sunday is a recent first-time listen for me and BOY do I like that score! \m/


I've sampled heavily the clips from the original CD release and have come to the conclusion that this score is full of all the quintessentially magical, orchestra-ruling JW anyone could ask for. I'd actually never heard much of the score until recently (I wasn't a fan of the movie), and I'm pretty darn enchanted.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2018 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


It's an absolutely fantastic release. I love every note of the complete score, though for listening I tend to prefer the album version (also included, rebuilt).


The ET OST program was NOT rebuilt for the LLL release; the original master tapes of the scoring sessions for the album-only cues burned up in the Universal fire so there is nothing existing on earth any more to rebuild 5 of the 8 tracks of that Grammy winning LP.

The OST program on the new LLL set is, however, a fresh transfer of a 1/4" master of the finished LP program Mike found in London.

All this info and more:

http://www.jwfan.com/?p=9994

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2018 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I've sampled heavily the clips from the original CD release and have come to the conclusion that this score is full of all the quintessentially magical, orchestra-ruling JW anyone could ask for. I'd actually never heard much of the score until recently (I wasn't a fan of the movie), and I'm pretty darn enchanted.

There is really only one CD release for Black Sunday, and I do highly recommend it:
http://screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/13395/BLACK-SUNDAY/

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2018 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

The ET OST program was NOT rebuilt for the LLL release; the original master tapes of the scoring sessions for the album-only cues burned up in the Universal fire so there is nothing existing on earth any more to rebuild 5 of the 8 tracks of that Grammy winning LP.

Oh that's right, I remember reading that. But I could have sworn that Mike Matessino talked about fixing it on that podcast interview for Cinematic Sound. (But I don't have time to re-listen to that to confirm, and he might have said it almost any time in those 2+ hours.) Maybe he fixed the edits? Or else I just dreamt it?

It sounds great, regardless.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2018 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

From my interview I linked you to:


I did clean up the clunky analog edits a bit for our new master.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2018 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

From my interview I linked you to:


I did clean up the clunky analog edits a bit for our new master.


Ah! Thanks, Jason. Forgive me for being so dense.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2018 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

No need to apologize at all!

It's certainly Mike's standard M.O. to rebuild OST albums whenever they are included in a catalog release he is producing, and it is easy to forget it was not possible in this case - just like it wasn't possible for Jaws either, for the same reason (the Universal Fire burned up the album recording session elements for that too).

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2018 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I've sampled heavily the clips from the original CD release and have come to the conclusion that this score is full of all the quintessentially magical, orchestra-ruling JW anyone could ask for. I'd actually never heard much of the score until recently (I wasn't a fan of the movie), and I'm pretty darn enchanted.

There is really only one CD release for Black Sunday, and I do highly recommend it:
http://screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/13395/BLACK-SUNDAY/

Yavar


Heck yeah! Hoping to pick up Black Beauty too.

ET, Close Encounters, and First Knight coming in the mail! Really looking forward.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2018 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

The ET OST program was NOT rebuilt for the LLL release; the original master tapes of the scoring sessions for the album-only cues burned up in the Universal fire so there is nothing existing on earth any more to rebuild 5 of the 8 tracks of that Grammy winning LP.

Where does this information come from? We've been told again and again by various people including Roger this wasnt' the case.


Eric Paddong:
MASTERS NOT DESTROYED BY UNIVERSAL FIRE: Reports that this weekend’s fire on the Universal Studios back lot destroyed a video vault which housed thousands of original Decca, MCA and ABC recording masters, including a wide range of music from Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters to Judy Garland and the Carpenters, are unfounded. A UMG spokesperson insists: "Thankfully, there was little lost from UMG's vault. A majority of what was formerly stored there was moved earlier this year to our other facilities. Of the small amount that was still there and waiting to be moved, it had already been digitized so the music will still be around for many years to come. And in addition to being digitized, physical back-up copies of what was still left at that location were made and stored elsewhere." (6/2a)



"We have duplicates of everything," said NBC Universal President and Chief Operating Officer Ron Meyer. "Nothing is lost forever."

Meyer estimated there were 40,000 to 50,000 videos and reels in a video vault that burned but said duplicates were stored in a different location. Firefighters managed to recover hundreds of titles.



"Fortunately, nothing irreplaceable was lost," [Ron Meyer, chief operating officer of Universal Studios] said. "The video library was affected and damaged, but our main vault of our motion picture negatives was not."



Roger:
"Universal has been cooperating for years now and the fire was not related to any audio they had.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2018 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


Where does this information come from?


From my interview with Mike I linked to above.


I’m sorry to say that all evidence suggests the elements are gone. Bruce recalls that he ran only digital on the album sessions and that there was no analog. He had two interlocked U-matic 3/4” machines so that he could record 3-channel audio, so that’s what I wanted to find. Bruce remembered finding them at his facility, Pacific Ocean Post, in the early ‘90s and giving them to Steven’s post-production supervisor. So I worked with Amblin to look through their inventory and also checked Paramount and Universal and anywhere Dreamworks material had been moved over the years, and came up with absolutely nothing. When I got the AFM reports for the album sessions, I was disheartened when I saw that they had been contracted by MCA Records, whereas the film sessions said Universal Studios. So that meant that the 3/4” U-matics may also have been labeled MCA Records. I reasoned that if this was the case, then if anyone had come across them in the ‘90s they might have been sent to Universal Music Group, which had a building on the studio lot, which they kept even after they became a separate company in 2004. That building was destroyed by fire in 2008. I could see it from my house and I was heartsick when I heard music elements were kept there. The fire is sometimes used as a convenient excuse when something can’t be found, but in this case I believe that’s where those masters ended up.

Naturally I checked with Universal Music Group as well and they physically looked at everything in their vaults. They found that they had no original album master for E.T. in the United States at all. NONE whatsoever. That meant that a Grammy-winning album, at that moment, only existed on CDs manufactured in the ‘80s. In digging further I learned that with UMG you need to check all territories because the inventories are not merged … so that means inquiring with Japan, Germany and the UK separately. That’s how I located a 1/4” tape in the UK which was used to cut lacquer for the original LPs and make cassettes. We had that transferred at 192k/24bit and that’s what we used. A digital master would only have been at 44k/16bit. The original recording tapes would also have been in that format, but we would have had the material in 3-channel. But without that, and only stereo to work with, we were better off with a hi-res tape transfer than with a 35 year-old digital master that probably would have been full of ticks and dropouts. It was better to use the 1/4” tape all the way through rather than reconstruct three of the tracks but not the other five.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2018 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Ah, okay so you worded it badly. Mike just assumes that's where the tapes were. they weren't found but there's no factual basis to say they burned up in there. Just assumptions.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2018 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Anything's possible!

 
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