Avatar 2 is no failure. It has cleared a billion in box office in just 14 days and there is no competition for it for months to come. I still haven't seen it and can't say I'm in a rush but the doom and gloom forecasts from the media about its box office take were mighty quick on their claims of failure. This kind of movie is the one where the legs matter; just like Top Gun: Maverick from this past Summer.
Avatar 2 is no failure. It has cleared a billion in box office in just 14 days and there is no competition for it for months to come. I still haven't seen it and can't say I'm in a rush but the doom and gloom forecasts from the media about its box office take were mighty quick on their claims of failure. This kind of movie is the one where the legs matter; just like Top Gun: Maverick from this past Summer.
Certainly as Schiffy said, the box office realities at the moment are a bit crippling, but I never thought it was going to bomb regardless.
I guess the group of people actually going to the cinemas right now is mostly below 40 years old, and all the films which would have attracted a sizeable audience before the pandemic now flop since that audience rather waits to watch movies at home.
Avatar 2 is no failure. It has cleared a billion in box office in just 14 days and there is no competition for it for months to come. I still haven't seen it and can't say I'm in a rush but the doom and gloom forecasts from the media about its box office take were mighty quick on their claims of failure. This kind of movie is the one where the legs matter; just like Top Gun: Maverick from this past Summer.
Indeed, and there is still forthcoming sales on DVD/Blu-Ray, etc.
Whether you loved, hated, re ambivalent to it or just don’t want to see it, one thing is now absolutely clear - all those naysayers who were convinced people had forgotten about Avatar and predicted the sequel would sink at the B.O. couldn’t have been more wrong.
Absolutely loved it - much more than the first, although watched the first again after seeing #2 - and I'm NOW an avid devotee of Avatar mythology. #2 is an absolute spell-binder despite the rather mundane (but touching) family cliches. As for it's success - I'm getting calls from people of all ages asking me if the IMAX is worth it. The viewing audience is going to be humungous in the long run.
I guess the group of people actually going to the cinemas right now is mostly below 40 years old, and all the films which would have attracted a sizeable audience before the pandemic now flop since that audience rather waits to watch movies at home.
I include me in that group.
You would think but Top Gun 2 proves this theory wrong. It's target audience and returning audience was adults. Who is Avatar's target audience? I've never been too sure but it obviously appeals to a large mass of moviegoers at these box office numbers here and abroad. Hey, at least it isn't another comic book superhero thing, right? It's a lot more old fashioned storytelling wrapped up in a pretty blue CGI bow.
I guess the group of people actually going to the cinemas right now is mostly below 40 years old, and all the films which would have attracted a sizeable audience before the pandemic now flop since that audience rather waits to watch movies at home.
I include me in that group.
You would think but Top Gun 2 proves this theory wrong. It's target audience and returning audience was adults. Who is Avatar's target audience? I've never been too sure but it obviously appeals to a large mass of moviegoers at these box office numbers here and abroad. Hey, at least it isn't another comic book superhero thing, right? It's a lot more old fashioned storytelling wrapped up in a pretty blue CGI bow.
I think TOP GUN 2 and AVATAR 2 bring in older and younger people since both are spectacles with the nostalgia factor.
But the award movies older adults went to see at a cinema all have fared terribly at the box office, not because they weren’t good but because the target audience preferred to wait and not subject themselves to the risk of infection.
Did someone figure out the film sequence for the two releases of this score?
James
My impression is that the expanded release is chronological. But I only saw the movie once and have not done a detailed analysis of the score. I think it also includes all tracks from the shorter album execept the End Titles song that opens the shorter album.
Did someone figure out the film sequence for the two releases of this score?
James
My impression is that the expanded release is chronological. But I only saw the movie once and have not done a detailed analysis of the score. I think it also includes all tracks from the shorter album execept the End Titles song that opens the shorter album.
I think the only track out of sync is Hometree (aka Leaving Home) which should be positioned after Family is Our Fortress. Not completely sure as only seen once.
The track that opens the film isn’t on the album as far as I can tell.
Here's my attempt at whittling down the playlist. Most of the action cues had to go, they're just to generic.
Avatar The Way of Water (Expanded Fan Edit)
Leaving Home Songcord Opening Happiness Is Simple Train Attack Masks Off Converging Paths Sanctuary Into the Water The Way of Water Where the Men Hunt Payakan Mighty Eywa Friends Cove of the Ancestors The Tulkun Return The Hunt Na'vi Attack A Farewell to Arm Eclipse World Upside Down From Darkness to Light Family Songcord Chapter The Spirit Tree The Songcord
Franglen's Horner impression just left missing him more. But points for listing the orchestra players in the end credits.
Yes, I totally agree. I’ve seen the movie three times now and each time I just watch certain scenes (particularly the first scene where the Sully kids swim, the return of the Tulkun pack and Lo’ak’s bonding with Payakan) and think how beautiful Horner’s score would have been in these moments.
Franglen’s score is perfectly serviceable, and even quite nice in places. But it never soars the way Horner’s music would have done.
I don’t agree with some of the comments (I thought Franglen’s score was a little disappointing and one of the few aspects of the move I didn’t think were off the scale) but it’s a very well written review and James Southall is absolutely right to shoot down those folk here who insist that the film is tracked with cues from the original movie) and his comparison to Ken Thorne’ situation in Superman II is spot on (although I actually detested Thorne’s score).
Franglen is conducting a Twitter poll asking what score fans would want from a physical release and, surprisingly, CDs are winning by quite a wide margin.
Franglen is conducting a Twitter poll asking what score fans would want from a physical release and, surprisingly, CDs are winning by quite a wide margin.
Maybe finally reason wins over nostalgia? But, according to filmmusicreporter.com, a CD is coming on 20th January so I suppose it had already been planned.
