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I’ve just ordered this. If I don’t like it I’m going to blame everybody on this thread. I know where you live.
If you don't like it you're a sham soundtrack fan and I'll expect.you to lose those ears!
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This arrived today and it sounds divine. Nothing comes close.
This is one satisfying release.
I'm going to be listening to this score all week now. I can imagine much worse fates.
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My copy arrived too and it's GLORIOUS. I think I can make out small embouchure adjustments in individual horn players (lips slipping ever so slightly on the mouthpiece, at least one by very slight accident). Incredible. If you told me the stereo album was recorded yesterday, I'm not sure I could disprove it. The definitive edition.
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Very good spot re the extra wind instrument in “The Sundown/Sunset”; hadn’t noticed that previously. The alternate version is nice to have but, yes, the film version is vastly superior.
Thanks to the bonus tracks I have managed to piece together the music used in the restored Grotto scene. For anyone that’s interested, this can be done by combining the relevant excerpts from the “Musical Interlude” and “San Antonio Mission”.
I fully geeked out yesterday and watched the film from start to finish, paying careful attention to each piece of music as it appeared before comparing it to the music on the soundtrack.
It would appear that there is just ONE piece of music from the film that is not included on the 3CD set. It’s the piece played when Blondie grabs the empty boot in the desert.
I had assumed that this would match the track called “The Boot” (no 17) but it is different. Interesting to note, although not massively important.
In contrast, we seem to have been treated to a few pieces of music on disc 1 which were not included in the film at all. By my reckoning they are as follows:
Track 10 “Tuco Takes The Collection” (or, “In The Grotto” as I call it)
Track 11 “Suspense”
Track 16 “The Desert #2”
Track 17 “The Boot”
Incidentally, it was only after this exercise that I realised how short “The Carriage Of Spirits” is in the movie (a mere 54 seconds, compared to 2:09 on the O.S.T.).
I realise this all sounds like I should probably get out more but I guess it’s a reflection of living life under lockdown!
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shootdonttalk: I fully geeked out yesterday and watched the film from start to finish, paying careful attention to each piece of music as it appeared before comparing it to the music on the soundtrack...I realise this all sounds like I should probably get out more but I guess it’s a reflection of living life under lockdown!
Goody, goody.
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I realise this all sounds like I should probably get out more but I guess it’s a reflection of living life under lockdown!
If a CD release gets you all excited about the music from a film score, then there's no need for any apology. Music has the power to release each of us from our own personal "indoors," and takes us to imaginative places "outside" of ourselves that had previously existed only in the "matrix" of the notes on the composer's printed sheet. In short, well written music is good for the soul.
The sustained first part of "The Boot" is in the film, but is extinguished prematurely when Blondie suddenly grabs Tuco's boot.
I suspect that "The Desert #2" and "The Fort #2" were simply alternate takes.
I have no idea what the title of track 21c ("Ti aiuterà a difenderti," "It Will Help You Defend Yourself") refers to. There is no such dialogue in the scene.
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mikael488
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I fully geeked out yesterday and watched the film from start to finish, paying careful attention to each piece of music as it appeared before comparing it to the music on the soundtrack.
It would appear that there is just ONE piece of music from the film that is not included on the 3CD set. It’s the piece played when Blondie grabs the empty boot in the desert.
I had assumed that this would match the track called “The Boot” (no 17) but it is different. Interesting to note, although not massively important.
Note that "The boot" scene was originally used only in the Italian release of the movie.
Sounds like you watched the english extended version which for some reason used a different piece of music for this sequence, but ONLY for the English 5.1 mix (the music is very similar, if not identical, to the sizzling strings heard in the beginning of the track "The desert").
However, the Italian mono mix as well as the 2014 MGM English mono mix use the track called "The Boot". Interestingly, an original 1966 Italian 35 mm print of the movie uses a segment of the track "The desert #2" for this scene.
In contrast, we seem to have been treated to a few pieces of music on disc 1 which were not included in the film at all. By my reckoning they are as follows:
Track 10 “Tuco Takes The Collection” (or, “In The Grotto” as I call it)
Track 11 “Suspense”
Track 16 “The Desert #2”
Track 17 “The Boot”
The track "Tuco takes the collection" may have been intended for the Grotto scene which as far as I know was only used in the longest version that was shown at the Rome premiere back in late 1966.
As for "The desert #2; as I mentioned above, a part of this piece was actually used for "The boot" scene in a rare original Italian 1966 35mm print.
And "The Boot" track itself can be heard in all known Italian releases dating as far back as the early '80s vhs. Not sure which one was used in the original Italian theatrical release but I'd guess it was the drone music heard in The Boot given the track title.
Three more tracks that weren't included in the movie:
disc 1 track 5 Una taglia sulla testa (the last part Un angelo biondo is used though)
disc 1 track 6 Fuga a cavallo (alternate)
disc I track 12 tre desperados (not used in the more recent Italian releases that I know of).
Finally, here's a list of the tracks that to the best of my knowledge were originally used only in the 1966 Italian theatrical print (referencing the quartet 3-CD):
disc 1 - 13. Il forte (2:21)
disc 1 - 17. Lo stivale (0:59)
disc 1 - 22. Il Canyon dei Morti / Dio è con noi (0:26)
disc 2 - 17. Intermezzo musicale (0:23) - the version shown at the Rome premiere as well as the Italian theatrical cut reportedly included an intermission. However I'm not sure if this piece made it to either version.
disc 2 - 18. Il forte (Alternate) (0:56)
disc 2 - 28. La storia di un soldato (Extended Version) (7:29)
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Phenomenal stuff mikael
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Three more tracks that weren't included in the movie:
disc 1 track 5 Una taglia sulla testa (the last part Un angelo biondo is used though)
disc 1 track 6 Fuga a cavallo (alternate)
disc I track 12 tre desperados / Una cannonata provvindenziale (not used in the Italian releases I know of).
The last track that you mentioned, "I tre desperados / Una cannonata provvindenziale" is heard on two Blu-ray versions that I have seen, one with Italian opening credits and one with English opening credits.
"I tre desperados" is heard when Tuco's bandit companions are creaking up the stairs to ambush Blondie. The "Una cannonata provvindenziale" is heard twice, first when they shoot their way into the room, and a second time, when a sudden cannon blast reveals that Blondie has escaped the noose.
Thanks, mikael. You are a source of much useful information.
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George, what blue-ray version with Italian opening credits are you referring to?
You're of course right about the last part of the track (the famous GBU-motif) being used twice in that scene (in both the original Italian and Int./U.S. print). I simply forgot it was added at the end of "tre desperados". This latter suspense cue is not heard in the 2009 Italian mondo Blu-ray though. Not sure if it's used in the previous Italian CVC DVD from 2000.
I don't own it, but a friend showed it to me. Crisp hi-def print, but missing the first 5 seconds of the opening credits and the final half-minute or so of the end credit music. Also missing the grotto scene.
I noticed that the Finale track on CD2 has faint whistling as the title music fades in after Tuco's motif fades out, so the track is a reprise of the main title music.
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Wow, this is all fascinating to read. I didn’t realise that the GBU score was such a COW (can of worms).
It had never even crossed my mind that the score used for a given scene might be different from country to country. Or that, even in the same country, different releases might include different pieces of music. How? Why?!!! Is this common, or a quirky one-off?
The version I have here is the Blu-ray from the “man with no name” 3 disc set. According to the box it’s a 2014 release by 20th Century Fox.” And, yes - from memory, the desert scene with the boot does indeed seem to be accompanied by the opening strings of “The Desert”. I need to go back and re-listen to double check (and then try to work out if I can create a home made replica!).
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It had never even crossed my mind that the score used for a given scene might be different from country to country. Or that, even in the same country, different releases might include different pieces of music. How? Why?!!! Is this common, or a quirky one-off?
This will be off-topic for THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY, yet on-topic for your curiosity.
Once while moving back and forth between the audio commentary and normal film tracks on the DVD of LOVE IS A MANY-SPLENDORED THING (toggling by my remote instead of navigating back to the disc's menu), I was surprised by something strange. At that particular sequence, the Spanish-language track in mono contained music completely different from the familiar Alfred Newman cue heard in the English and French versions. Spanish-speaking viewers are deprived of one of my favorite cues from Newman's score -- "The Cablegram" --- without explanation. For my own curiosity I skipped around to other spots with the Spanish track but found Newman's regular music at each other place I checked.
So while I never knew exactly what happened there with discrepancy scoring of one foreign edition of MANY-SPLENDORED THING, I've guessed that with UGLY, one errant music editor preparing one of the foreign versions just made a mistake that neither Morricone nor Leone was available to approve. As for different Italian versions prepared with cues not appearing in other domestic prints ... well, it's a long movie with more existing cues than most of us ever knew about until this Quartet release -- so accidents may have happened.
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I'm ready. Ready like Freddie.
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It had never even crossed my mind that the score used for a given scene might be different from country to country. Or that, even in the same country, different releases might include different pieces of music. How? Why?!!! Is this common, or a quirky one-off?
This will be off-topic for THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY, yet on-topic for your curiosity.
Once while moving back and forth between the audio commentary and normal film tracks on the DVD of LOVE IS A MANY-SPLENDORED THING (toggling by my remote instead of navigating back to the disc's menu), I was surprised by something strange. At that particular sequence, the Spanish-language track in mono contained music completely different from the familiar Alfred Newman cue heard in the English and French versions. Spanish-speaking viewers are deprived of one of my favorite cues from Newman's score -- "The Cablegram" --- without explanation. For my own curiosity I skipped around to other spots with the Spanish track but found Newman's regular music at each other place I checked.
So while I never knew exactly what happened there with discrepancy scoring of one foreign edition of MANY-SPLENDORED THING, I've guessed that with UGLY, one errant music editor preparing one of the foreign versions just made a mistake that neither Morricone nor Leone was available to approve. As for different Italian versions prepared with cues not appearing in other domestic prints ... well, it's a long movie with more existing cues than most of us ever knew about until this Quartet release -- so accidents may have happened.
Thank you Steven. Sounds like it’s a lot more common than I could ever have imagined!
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Thank you Steven. Sounds like it’s a lot more common than I could ever have imagined!
Maybe not "a lot more common," but not absolutely unique.
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Thank you Steven. Sounds like it’s a lot more common than I could ever have imagined!
Maybe not "a lot more common," but not absolutely unique.[/endquote
I noticed this once, while watching a dvd,.I think it was Powder River. When I put the Spanish dub, for a laugh, the music changed too.
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Out of stock at Intrada again too.
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