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 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   digitalfreaknyc   (Member)

What I wouldn't give for a true stereo recording of this...

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Something that's always puzzled me is the track Man Against Beast? On the decca album this track seems to be a different take. The intro differs, while there is also a flub note on the horns for the first appearance of the shark theme. It also seems to be supplemented with woodwinds on the Intrada version. The tempos throughout the cue seem to be a little different as well. This also seems to be the film version because you can definitley hear the flub note when watching. Well at least on the mono version of the film anyway. Maybe Neil, Mike or Roger could shed some light on this?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Something that's always puzzled me is the track Man Against Beast? On the decca album this track seems to be a different take. The intro differs, while there is also a flub note on the horns for the first appearance of the shark theme. It also seems to be supplemented with woodwinds on the Intrada version. The tempos throughout the cue seem to be a little different as well. This also seems to be the film version because you can differently hear the flub note when watching. Well at least on the mono version of the film anyway. Maybe Neil, Mike or Roger could shed some light on this?

If memory serves, the awful sounding Decca mistakenly used the flub take, which is included and properly relegated on the Intrada as an Extra "alternate".

I remember my upset hearing the Decca cd in 2000! Especially...this cue.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)


If memory serves, the awful sounding Decca mistakenly used the flub take, which is included and properly relegated on the Intrada as an Extra "alternate".

I remember my upset hearing the Decca cd in 2000! Especially...this cue.


I'm pretty sure the alternate version on the Intrada Edition is different again. It cuts to a different passage after " You're gonna need a bigger boat".

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

So, is this pressing identical to the previous one.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

What I wouldn't give for a true stereo recording of this...

???

I thought it *was* a true stereo recording...

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

What I wouldn't give for a true stereo recording of this...

???

I thought it *was* a true stereo recording...


While the elements are multi-track, I believe it was mixed with the intention of being heard in mono. I’m sure Mike Matessino will clarify on this matter, as I have a strong feeling I’m probably wrong on that and the physical release is currently in storage so I can’t check offhand right now.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

What I wouldn't give for a true stereo recording of this...

It's as stereo as it can be considering that the microphone setup was optimized for mono mixing. Mike did a phenomenal job of creating the most natural soundstage possible. The album is in true stereo.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   George Lionel   (Member)


If memory serves, the awful sounding Decca mistakenly used the flub take, which is included and properly relegated on the Intrada as an Extra "alternate".

I remember my upset hearing the Decca cd in 2000! Especially...this cue.


I'm pretty sure the alternate version on the Intrada Edition is different again. It cuts to a different passage after " You're gonna need a bigger boat".
I think you need a new sound system because no matter what you do to a recording back in 1975,you simply won’t get it sounding as good as it were recorded in 2024.John Williams did produce the Decca recording,to get the best possible sound from an old recording.The more you fiddle with the original recording the more it losers it’s original sound.You seem to be talking a lot of rubbish concerning the Decca recording. I’m involved in sound recording ,so I do have more knowledge than probably you have.The only way to get a perfect recording of the score,If it would satisfy you would be to hire The London Symphony and get John Williams to record a brand new digital recording,Maybe that might make you happy.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)


If memory serves, the awful sounding Decca mistakenly used the flub take, which is included and properly relegated on the Intrada as an Extra "alternate".

I remember my upset hearing the Decca cd in 2000! Especially...this cue.


I'm pretty sure the alternate version on the Intrada Edition is different again. It cuts to a different passage after " You're gonna need a bigger boat".
I think you need a new sound system because no matter what you do to a recording back in 1975,you simply won’t get it sounding as good as it were recorded in 2024.John Williams did produce the Decca recording,to get the best possible sound from an old recording.The more you fiddle with the original recording the more it losers it’s original sound.You seem to be talking a lot of rubbish concerning the Decca recording. I’m involved in sound recording ,so I do have more knowledge than probably you have.The only way to get a perfect recording of the score,If it would satisfy you would be to hire The London Symphony and get John Williams to record a brand new digital recording,Maybe that might make you happy.


Sorry George, who exactly are you replying to? Because I wasn't even talking about sound quality. I was talking about the differences in the cue Man Against Beast?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Chinatown....

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 8:40 PM   
 By:   George Lionel   (Member)


If memory serves, the awful sounding Decca mistakenly used the flub take, which is included and properly relegated on the Intrada as an Extra "alternate".

I remember my upset hearing the Decca cd in 2000! Especially...this cue.


I'm pretty sure the alternate version on the Intrada Edition is different again. It cuts to a different passage after " You're gonna need a bigger boat".
I think you need a new sound system because no matter what you do to a recording back in 1975,you simply won’t get it sounding as good as it were recorded in 2024.John Williams did produce the Decca recording,to get the best possible sound from an old recording.The more you fiddle with the original recording the more it losers it’s original sound.You seem to be talking a lot of rubbish concerning the Decca recording. I’m involved in sound recording ,so I do have more knowledge than probably you have.The only way to get a perfect recording of the score,If it would satisfy you would be to hire The London Symphony and get John Williams to record a brand new digital recording,Maybe that might make you happy.


Sorry George, who exactly are you replying to? Because I wasn't even talking about sound quality. I was talking about the differences in the cue Man Against Beast?
You said the AWFUL SOUNDING DECCA,and and I replied to that,you said it if you check your text..Quote “awful sounding Decca “ you said it,no one else.John Williams, helped produce that album,I would say he would know a little more than you,and was obviously more than happy with the Decca recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   George Lionel   (Member)

No reflection on you Steve,but you have not a clue to what you are talking about.The original recording is 50 years old, you can only do so much with old recordings before they lose that original sound. It may very well sound better,but it starts to sound totally different.The Origin recorded LP still Sounds better with crackles and pops than a remastered CD that doesn’t have that background sound.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 9:24 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

No reflection on you Steve,but you have not a clue to what you are talking about.The original recording is 50 years old, you can only do so much with old recordings before they lose that original sound. It may very well sound better,but it starts to sound totally different.The Origin recorded LP still Sounds better with crackles and pops than a remastered CD that doesn’t have that background sound.

George
I will repeat once again! If you could read the above posts. I was not talking about the sound quality of the album but in fact the differences between different versions of a particular cue! Other board members may have suggested the issue of sound quality, (and only a disappointment in it) and that's their prerogative. But it was not I. So it would seem in this case that it is you that has no clue of what you talk about.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 9:34 PM   
 By:   George Lionel   (Member)

Then I stand corrected,but as I said before,I do know what I’m talking about,I have worked in the industry for 40 years,what experience have you got?

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 9:36 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

You said the AWFUL SOUNDING DECCA,and and I replied to that,you said it if you check your text..Quote “awful sounding Decca “ you said it,no one else.John Williams, helped produce that album,I would say he would know a little more than you,and was obviously more than happy with the Decca recording.

Steve was quoting someone else who said that. Get a clue, Mister Magoo!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 9:37 PM   
 By:   George Lionel   (Member)

Then I stand corrected,but as I said before,I do know what I’m talking about,I have worked in the industry for 40 years,what experience have you got? People like you are always experts,in a field you really have no knowledge

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2024 - 9:42 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

That may well be the case but what has 40 years of Industry experience got to do with you comprehending these posts ass about?

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2024 - 2:52 AM   
 By:   Big Jim T Wilson   (Member)

Did George get out of bed on the wrong side or something? I've seen some daft arguments on this board over the years but I don't know if I've ever seen anyone try to start one out of nowhere big grin With respect to your years of expertise George, I think you can stand down sir. It's all good. (Although the Decca does sound rubbish thanks to the noise reduction.... just my opinion.)

Glad Intrada have been able to make this available again. (Albeit for a short window... hopefully not long until the next one) As others have said, Mike did an amazing job in being able to create a natural sounding mix from the three channels.

On the subject of Man Against Beast... as far as I know the flub is heard in the film by mistake. They used the wrong take in the dvd mix I think, so it's not really the film take. maybe.... someone can correct me on that perhaps

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2024 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I would hate to to try to "correct" a man as BIG as Jim T. Wilson regarding flubber, so I'll agree with him on the sound of the Decca release. It sounds like it was taped off my neighbour's telly, through the wall, with the cassette player microphone wrapped in a duvet.

 
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