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 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   cirithungol   (Member)

Wow that was fast!

Thanks a lot, the file sounds a lot better now smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

A brief review of this album:

http://www.movie-wave.net/air-force-one/

Caution: don't bother reading it if you're hoping for commentary on the album mastering. I will leave that sort of review to others with better ears.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   Maestro Sartori   (Member)

I spoke with someone last week very close to the project, who told me that the ONLY available source for "Air Force One in Trouble" close to the quality of the rest of the music cues they used in this release was the FILM MIX, where they had "dipped" the volume in mixing the music to the action on screen. There was no other QUALITY version of that cue they could use. It was signed off by ALL relevant parties of this release.

Frankly after YEARS of begging and begging for a release of this score, that so many people have trolled and b****ed about this one cue astounds me.

Clearly this release was not meant for you, if that is ALL you took away from this amazing collection.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

How about throwing away the "Trolled" and bitched" part and instead looking at: We're having a forum member tell us second hand that somebody knows why and then tell us, instead of Varese, instead of in the Varese announcement, and on top of their recent poor customer service issues.

It's not trolling to point out the problem. It's not bitching to point out the problem.

It's not trolling to want an answer about a product they want us to shell out for. It's not bitching to want an answer about a product they want us to shell out for.


Evidently there are still issues that need to be fixed at this new incarnation of Varese Sarabande.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Okay, use the source. But why not fix the volume levels as one of our board members did so easily ?

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 5:42 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

How about throwing away the "Trolled" and bitched" part and instead looking at: We're having a forum member tell us second hand that somebody knows why and then tell us, instead of Varese, instead of in the Varese announcement, and on top of their recent poor customer service issues.

It's not trolling to point out the problem. It's not bitching to point out the problem.

It's not trolling to want an answer about a product they want us to shell out for. It's not bitching to want an answer about a product they want us to shell out for.


Evidently there are still issues that need to be fixed at this new incarnation of Varese Sarabande.


This board should have a like option.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)


Also on the original foot warmer where the unreleased Goldsmith cues were in mono the "The Parachutes / Parachute Attack" that was the film version the way how it opened up is how it is in the "End Credits" so this leads me to believe that is how "The Parachutes" is originally meant to be.


Are you sure this was not just an overlay? Maybe thats why Goldsmith left it off the album?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2019 - 3:48 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I'm no tech wiz, but if a member of this forum can skilfully blend the various volume dips of this 'lesser quality' track, I'm sure someone like Mike M or Chris Malone could have fixed this issue too?
Maybe Varese outsourced this release badly?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2019 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   Musicmix   (Member)

I'm no tech wiz, but if a member of this forum can skilfully blend the various volume dips of this 'lesser quality' track, I'm sure someone like Mike M or Chris Malone could have fixed this issue too?
Maybe Varese outsourced this release badly?


Obviously they did. This mistake should have been fixed before it was released.

So what happens now?

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2019 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I guess we wait for it to sell out, Varese perhaps doesn't hold on to the rights to lets them go to another label, then another label doing a new/.deeper search. finds a good take and we get a new release many years later.

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2019 - 7:48 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Yeah, it’s a shame. I brought it up on a thread on Facebook and some supposed Varese people chimed in and all they had to say was “well, Bruce and Carol both signed off on it and this is how they wanted it”

I can’t imagine either of them being okay with those volume errors.

Thankfully, the most important unreleased tracks (Radek’s Death, Get off My Plane) sound great as does most of the album.

The volume is so inconsistent though. Compare the volume levels on “Empty Rooms” (which is even quieter than the previous album) to “Target Air Force One”
Pretty big difference there. I understand that different sources were used to assemble this set, but it would have been nice if they had made an effort to balance out all the tracks so I don’t have to keep reaching for the volume button.

All it really says in the liner notes (which are great btw) is that some of the tracks came from a DAT tape.
If they knew about the volume dips in those affected cues, it would have helped ease the confusion and frustration here if they had just mentioned it somewhere on the packaging as other labels do with dodgy sources.

Anyways, I can still enjoy it and easily fix these volume issues on my own. It’s a fantastic score and I haven’t stopped listening to it.

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2019 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Obviously, Varese outsourced the mixing to their shipping department.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2019 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I'm glad it isn't just me, Mutant. My ears detected volume shifts across the album as a whole. I thought I was imagining it.

What the hell happened here? Perhaps this is why AFO didn't come out sooner :-/

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2019 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Yeah, it’s a shame. I brought it up on a thread on Facebook and some supposed Varese people chimed in and all they had to say was “well, Bruce and Carol both signed off on it and this is how they wanted it”

I won't speculate on Bruce, but I think it's very likely Carol didn't listen to the whole thing, She probably sampled it, made sure it was up to par with what previous limited editions sounds like and went on with her life by signing off. I just seriously doubt she listened to ever cue, heard this, and was okay with it.

And once again, rather than edit the announcement on their website or come here and say something, we're getting second hand info' from somebody who asked on their Facebook page.

I think everybody here's class on How to do Business 101 would say to not let the purchasing consumer find out after-the-fact with second-hand info' from another purchasing member, issues.

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2019 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Anybody fixed this in audacity yet? I don’t have Adobe Audition or can warrant spending a subscription on it for this. I found a much better version of this cue but it still has volume level issues but not as bad as the Varese. But it still needs fixing.

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2019 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

I just used the version from the foot warmer. Now grant the mixing isn't the same but the sound quality is the same.

I might try to fix the audio issues from the actual release but not sure yet.

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2019 - 9:22 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I haven't stopped listening to this album from when I got it. So much great action music, Goldsmith kicked butt with this one!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2019 - 9:14 PM   
 By:   Musicmix   (Member)

So can someone help fix this one in a Windows app?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2019 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I haven't stopped listening to this album from when I got it. So much great action music, Goldsmith kicked butt with this one!

Don't you mean "Goldsmith and McNeely kicked butt with this one?"

Credit where credit is due..


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2019 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

Obviously, Varese outsourced the mixing to their shipping department.

Owned! big grin

 
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