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 Posted:   Aug 2, 2009 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

I seem to remember being told that the version of the beginning of "Stealing the Enterprise" was an alternate (either a later date, or later in the same session) after the producers (Bennett?) did not like the strings. Ford Thaxton would know -- I think he was there!
Lukas


Ah, so I was most likely right then for the most part. smile I had wished we had gotten the film version opening for that on the GNP release. I too don't really like the strings overlay that much.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2009 - 10:11 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

But why must he post the same opinion over and over again in threads about new releases? I don't think that he should be defended for that.

Btw - great release!


Why do people post the same opinion over and over again about James Horner and his quoting the classics? It's the same thing - mentioning something everyone knows about and yet it just can't be left alone - the whole Romeo & Juliet / Stealing the Enterprise is just as dead a horse as any endlessly mentioned opinion/issue. At least there wasn't a negative connotation with that above-mentioned reference...not yet anyway.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2009 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   Holly   (Member)

Why do people post the same opinion over and over again about James Horner and his quoting the classics?

I do not know. All I know is that the artistic roots of an "abled body" can be (and many times are) influenced by a predecessor(s). Even if one is of *genius* stature - influence can still play a hand in the deck of cards. And mayhap people post because he (i.e. Horner) borrows too frequently from the "classics," but as a Laymen with re: to Classical music, I have no say.

And therefore...I beat a dull (or dead) drum too.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2009 - 12:18 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

"There is a point when a personal opinion shades off into an error of fact." - Gene Siskle


In my own personal opinion it's spelled "Siskel."

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2009 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   mastersofuniverse   (Member)

bring on the Cliff Eidelman Star Trek VI complete expanded please!

The expanded boot has been doing the rounds for too long, its time for an official release!

I think they should bring out the next offical expanded ones in this order.

Star Trek VI - Cliff Eidelman
Star Trek V - Jerry Goldsmith
Star Trek III - James Horner
Star Trek IV - Leonard Rosenman

This Star Trek II expanded release has been a welcome and timely one!

I wonder whether they would have released it though if the new Trek hadn't of done so well at the box office.

Still, i'm glad Paramount finally opened their tighter than a duck's backside vault for this to happen.

Whoever agreed to it deserves a bottle of the finest champagne and a free vulcan mind meld.

Thank you!

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2009 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

In my own personal opinion it's spelled "Siskel."

Just proves I typed it out, and didn't simply copy/paste it. wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2009 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)


I wonder whether they would have released it though if the new Trek hadn't of done so well at the box office.



You do realize that these album releases from FSM each take many months and sometimes years to produce, right? This expanded TREK II CD was not put together in mere weeks in response to the new film performing well at the box office, instead this CD most assuredly was a very long process of contract negotiations, music transfers & editing, writing notes, etc etc.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2009 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)


This Star Trek II expanded release has been a welcome and timely one!

I wonder whether they would have released it though if the new Trek hadn't of done so well at the box office.

I would think this release was a long time in the preparation, way before the latest film was released. Could have possibly been planned ahead though to closely coincide with it. I'm sure it didn't hurt sales though since the new film brought Trek back into the public's consciousness again. Lukas would have to respond to when Paramount finally green lit this release and if the new film's release had anything to do with it. Paging Lukas...Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard!

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2009 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Indeed. The quality of the results are demonstration enough that plenty of prep time went into this release.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2009 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

My disc arrived today (at last) and there's a flippin' scratch on it (near the outer edge)! ARGH! I'll pop a message over to SAE. Can I assume that this is an isolated incident?

EDIT:

Just finished listening to this, my favourite Horner score and one of my top 5 scores of all time. It's perfect. Just perfect. And that's the highest compliment I can pay anything. Well done guys! :-)

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2009 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

I finally got my copy today (geez, it was only a week or so, but it seems to take so long to get stuff from across the pond!), and I have to say wonderful, just wonderful. I'm a happy bunny smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2009 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   Miragliano   (Member)

I was one of those people who were hoping that the release was going to be Gremlins but now i've finally received my copy of this re-mastered and expanded masterpiece i'm ecstatic. All over again.

Wrath of Khan was THE film score that got me into film music, i've owned the previous album on cassette and then the GNP Crescendo CD for many, many years. This new release was a revelation for several reasons.

The remastered sound brings such clarity and depth, it's like listening to it for the first time; what I took for sound effects in the film was actually music (Genesis Project), I never expected to hear electronic prog rock in a Trek score!

While I still believe the original release had all the best tracks, I really appreciate having tracks such as Captain Tyrell's Death; wanted that one for a long time. This is one of the rare scores where I do believe that expanding the score on CD was worth it, if I want the original album presentation I can just program it.

The biggest surprise of all was reading that Miklos Rozsa was briefly considered as the composer. Miklos Rozsa! Holy crap. That would have been... epic.

So yeah, my Gremlins disappointment is behind me now as I re-acquaint myself with an old friend.

Any chance of Gremlins next year...?

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2009 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

In my own personal opinion it's spelled "Siskel."

Just proves I typed it out, and didn't simply copy/paste it. wink


Nice! I am totally going to steal that.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 6:01 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

My TREK II still hasn't hit the English shores frown It's been two weeks. I want TREK II Waaahhhh

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

[startquoteThe biggest surprise of all was reading that Miklos Rozsa was briefly considered as the composer. Miklos Rozsa! Holy crap. That would have been... epic.

Yeah... because Horner's score wasn't "epic." wink

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Miragliano   (Member)

Yeah... because Horner's score wasn't "epic."

Of course it was, crazy fool big grin

But... Miklos Rozsa, one of the Golden Age greats scoring Wrath of Khan, the imagination boggles. At the very least Rozsa could have equalled Horner's achievement, but the "What if..." simply defies imagination.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Yeah... because Horner's score wasn't "epic."

Of course it was, crazy fool big grin

But... Miklos Rozsa, one of the Golden Age greats scoring Wrath of Khan, the imagination boggles. At the very least Rozsa could have equalled Horner's achievement, but the "What if..." simply defies imagination.


Here's a fantastically ignorant thing to ask: did Rozsa deliberately lend TIME AFTER TIME an Old World, kind of period sound, or was that just him? In other words, would his KHAN have sounded oddly old fashioned, like a lush 1950s sea faring score?

I'm still agog at how much I'm enjoying the Horner KHAN again in the new edition, so I can't bring myself to wish for what might have been. There's a sea faring aspect to it, but it isn't period at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   El Aurence   (Member)

Hi!

Received my copy today.

This is to marvellous for words, what a wonderful piece of music!

One of the best scores ever written for a motion picture (in my opinion) and one which I can listen to again and again. One of the major reaons why I LOVE listening to film music.
So rich of melody, so hauntingly beautiful, so passionate.

Dear Mr. Kendall and everyone else involved in the production: Thank You!

Besides 'Brainstorm' (Lilians Heart Attack/ Michael's Gift to Karen!!!) and An American Tail one of the top scores of James Horner.

What a perfect day.

Regards!



 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Nick Meyer circa 2008-9 does not remember seriously considering Rozsa for the score for Star Trek II. But I showed him an interview comment he gave Allan Asherman where he mentioned doing so, and Nick said, well, if I said it, print it.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

These sorts of rumors or first thoughts or whatever are interesting to contemplate, but there is something to be said for striking out in new directions with a younger composer. Rozsa's GOLDEN VOYAGE OF SINBAD contains much splendid music, but it certainly lacks the specifically youthful exuberance of his earlier THIEF OF BAGDAD. Rozsa would have brought much to STAR TREK or STAR WARS (another rumor/idea/proposal/myth/whatever), but it wouldn't have been quite the fresh energy that Williams supplied.

As for STAR TREK II, I confess that while I have a vivid memory of the film (that hammy villain!), I cannot recall anything about the music. Never heard the album.Sorry! All the attention here convinces me that it's time for a listen. Khan, thou hast conquered!

 
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