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Mar 13, 2019 - 5:35 AM
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Hurdy Gurdy
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Re the LP/CD/digital wars.. It all comes down to your level of 'collector' mentality. Regardless of bit rates and whatnot, for me, to HAVE/HOLD a nicely produced disc in fine packaging, with ready made labels and booklet/notes etc, is one of the mainstays of my hobby. Yes, it's ALL about the music, but how you receive the music can have a say in your enjoyment of it. I have stacks and stacks of cd-r's, with hundreds of scores on them and while I enjoy many, if not most of them, there have been times when I've played a cd-r a few times and never really connected with it. Then, I've acquired the same score, via a proper produced CD release later on, and the score has grabbed me in a way (I cannot explain) that the cd-r didn't! Same with Spotify and YouTube. I will play a score on them and usually lose interest at some point. But the exact same release, on CD with booklet/notes, engages my ears and eyes in a different, more fulfilling way. And yes, while CD's are diminishing (like vinyl did late 80's/early 90's), they will never fully disappear. They'll just become the next 'niche' thing (just like vinyl), waiting for it's big comeback!
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I love having the physical media, mostly for backup purposes and having liner notes. But if the only option is a digntal download for $10, I'll take it. I've never had an issue with sound quality and I can always burn it on CD-R if I really needed to. Or copy it to multiple drives. Since I digitize all my scores so I can listen to them anywhere, it really is just another medium that holds the music. They all change. Those ancient metal cylinders were probably pretty popular, too, but then 78 platters were all the rage. Then 33's. Oooo, tapes! Then CDs. Shit changes. Evolution is the natural order of things. I'm 51, by the way, and I love how much better music sounds now that technology has improved. Nobody is complaining at how Pro Tools is making things sound great. That music went from one physical media into the digital realm and back onto physical media. With downloads, all that is happening is that it's staying in the digital realm. As long as the bitrate is equal or better than CDs, it's not a big deal to me. But, everyone has a preference. I'd rather not miss the music, myself.
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"When Toprak mentioned she was using the minor 7th as a big part of her theme, I immediately thought "uh oh" only because I associate that with the beginning of Courage's Star Trek theme." Every interval has been used in hundreds or thousands of film cues and scores. To think anything negative because of an interval seems about as bizarre and worrying that the score was begun on a Tuesday or the composer's last name has three vowels in it. Not really. The use of harmonic extensions these days is about as rare as using jazz, not surprising because 7ths, 11ths, 13ths are all endemic to the kind of advanced harmony found in jazz. The minor 7th is rarely used whether it be melodically or harmonically these days. The fact the Toprak not only moves from the root to the minor 7th, but she moves down a half step exactly like Courage's ST theme definitely brings up associations. Even the rhythmic delineation of those first three notes mirrors Courages. But let's be clear here; I never called "plagiarism" or such nonsense- I just noted that it's a very atypically used interval and its most famous and well known example is ST. Or I suppose you could look at Bartok's Wooden Prince as another example that predates Courage's use of it. All that said, I like what Toprak did after I listened to the entire score and the theme in context.
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Mar 13, 2019 - 1:18 PM
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Kylo Ren
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Was the author of this article sitting with his fingers in his ears the entire movie? Toprak's main theme is front and center, in your face, the loudest thing in the sound mix, on at least half a dozen occasions. I don't know how it's possible to miss it. Exactly. He must be one of these guys who claimed Thor didn't have a theme either, when he was being scored by Patrick Doyle at least. I imagine he must have been expecting Williams' Superman for his level of standards for Danvers main theme, but let's be honest "that's just not going to happen" is it? I've also seen a few people here mentioning the music getting lost in the mix, and that's one of the single biggest things I will criticize in a film, when it does indeed happen. With Captain Marvel this is hardly the case. There may have been one or two occasions where the score was lower in the mix than it needed to be, but overall? It was as you said, as "front and center" as it can get. Either the people complaining about this are just plain hard of hearing and need to renew their hearing tests? Or they are going to lousy movie theaters?? Or both. I saw this on IMAX and remember actually appreciating how nice and loud the score was at times. It's just a shame Toprak's CM theme couldn't have been a little stronger. It's likely to grow on me over time, but at present I'm hearing it as more of a "motif" then I am a fully fledged "theme".
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Good film. Good score. Fun romp. I wonder if someone told her "Take Captain America and make it sound like Thor: Ragnarok?"
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