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 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Rozsa would have brought much to STAR TREK or STAR WARS (another rumor/idea/proposal/myth/whatever), but it wouldn't have been quite the fresh energy that Williams supplied.

I have that feeling too, and also the reservations about style in my question above.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Late to the party, but kudos and thanks to all involved for a stellar release here - and for
sharing your personal feelings about the project - it makes these titles that much more interesting
when it's not just coldly dumped on your doorstep with no history, backstory, or any idea of the
blood sweat and tears that went into it all......

The sound alone damn near brought me to tears - I think you said it somewhere in this thread LK, that the sound wasn't that much of an improvement - Huh!?!??! It's night and day!! It's one of those 'orchestra in your living room' experiences, at least to my ears!

I don't know if he's chimed in, or is reading, and I hope it's not a sore spot, but has John Morgan
commented here yet? That would have been something, had he landed this gig, since everything
I've heard his name connected with always sounds fantastic.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I don't know if he's chimed in, or is reading, and I hope it's not a sore spot, but has John Morgan commented here yet? That would have been something, had he landed this gig, since everything I've heard his name connected with always sounds fantastic.


The legendary Erich Kunzel made some magic with the Khan cues he recorded. Nic Raine if I'm not mistaken (the CD is not with me here at work) conducted it with the City of Prague, and that was great too. I'm sure Mr Morgan would have been terrific as well.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 6:49 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

Nick Meyer circa 2008-9 does not remember seriously considering Rozsa for the score for Star Trek II. But I showed him an interview comment he gave Allan Asherman where he mentioned doing so, and Nick said, well, if I said it, print it.

"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend. "

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 7:03 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

I don't know if he's chimed in, or is reading, and I hope it's not a sore spot, but has John Morgan commented here yet? That would have been something, had he landed this gig, since everything I've heard his name connected with always sounds fantastic.


The legendary Erich Kunzel made some magic with the Khan cues he recorded. Nic Raine if I'm not mistaken (the CD is not with me here at work) conducted it with the City of Prague, and that was great too. I'm sure Mr Morgan would have been terrific as well.


True Zap, but I was referring to the booklet that states Morgan was considered to score
Khan, but didn't get the job due to 'inexperience'. That was the first I heard such a neat
bit of trivia!

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2010 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

After purchasing this title i am forced to concede i was wrong about the need for an expanded version of this fine score.

There are several cues that are more atmospheric and menacing than anything included on the GNP ost, which emphasised the orchestral showpieces.
More of the great Spock theme also!
and incredible sound.
check it out!
brm

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2010 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Yeah... because Horner's score wasn't "epic."

Of course it was, crazy fool big grin

But... Miklos Rozsa, one of the Golden Age greats scoring Wrath of Khan, the imagination boggles. At the very least Rozsa could have equalled Horner's achievement, but the "What if..." simply defies imagination.


Here's a fantastically ignorant thing to ask: did Rozsa deliberately lend TIME AFTER TIME an Old World, kind of period sound, or was that just him? In other words, would his KHAN have sounded oddly old fashioned, like a lush 1950s sea faring score?
.


yes it was'just him ' and yes, it would have sounded old-fashioned.
and was that what we really wanted?
bruce

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2010 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

"For you folks in the know, what kind of stuff can we expect that wasn't on the original album? (Yes, I know SAE has samples up, but I was hoping some folks here might have insight as well!)"

"Buried Alive" is the eerie music ( reminiscent of a cue written for the original series episode "The Man Trap" ), evoking an emotion of dread, which is heard as Khan tells Kirk that he no longer needs to kill him because he has "hurt him", and that he plans to leave him in the center of the planetoid..


yeah, i love those "quotes' from the original series score (really just two descending notes)

for once Jh doesn't get bashed for the practice
smile
brm

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2010 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The remastered sound brings such clarity and depth, it's like listening to it for the first time; what I took for sound effects in the film was actually music ...

yep!
smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2010 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Yep. As usual, the furor about Thor comes more from people talking about him and his preferences than the man himself. If everyone just stayed on topic, this nonsense wouldn't keep happening.
.
.... The sound quality is much clearer than the previous CD, and has a greater dynamic range (love that bass). .


you noticed that too, huh? i wonder if the 'ear budders' can hear the difference?
bruce
smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2019 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

I get from the previous entries in the thread that this release relied on the original Dan Wallin 3-track mix, which was archived in a format that preserved this mix alongside the original 50kHz multitracks on the same run of tape.

Would it be impossible to do a digital decode of the multitracks to build a new mix from scratch someday (hi-res double disc expansion or download release)?

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2019 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I basically asked the same thing yesterday in the other Khan thread:

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=60703

All three films in the "trilogy" were mastered from film mixes but technical info from the booklets suggests things could be improved if better sources are found/utilized.

I for one would double-dip on a box set if it brought them in line with the other three TOS films which are from first-gen sources. Assuming there's a reasonable enough difference at CD quality. The existing albums sound pretty darn good as it is.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2019 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Yes, I don't especially see the need for remastering/expansion, I'm just curious as to what could be done if the market emerges for higher-res content from the score refurbishing labels.

I could certainly see the potential for the type of sonically expanded sort of release I'm envisioning being accomplished with the recent Superman: The Movie transfers. Home theater/hi-res multichannel sort of things. Look to the recent XTC (the English Rock/Pop band) expansions that include remastered stereo program on standard CD, plus Blu-ray multichannel with sound/program expansion for an idea of what I'm angling for concept-wise.

There's eventually got to be some sort of commercial tipping point that will enable these kinds of releases. Though as of now, with everyone stuck on desktop computer/mp3 player end experiences (except for the minority of high-end audio consumers) that market may take forever to emerge, just like the current market for uber-quality remasters/expansions took a whole quarter-century to emerge after the advent of the compact disc era.

As for the current state of hi-res downloading, I couldn't believe my ears how good the remasterings of some old classical titles has been with 192kHz/24-bit lossless reissues.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2019 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

It's not so much any of the things you describe as it is the simple reality specialty labels do not get download rights. I don't see that changing, so the impetus for them would still have to be CD re-releases like Superman.

Whether that undermines or delays the other potentials you see is another matter.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2019 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Yes, again Traveling Matt, we're just as lucky to have these titles tied to physical disc releases.

When I pay 40 dollars per release, I want a hard copy.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2019 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Since we're coming up on 10 years now, I have actually been working on a draft that I may use to shoot a video commemorating the 10th Anniversary to the start of the Star Trek Soundtrack Renaissance. I think I've got the first one down, but gosh. I don't know if you guys could tolerate my voice.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2019 - 7:47 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Alas I doubt Epic/Sony will be quite as understanding as Rhino/Atlantic!

The problem was Paramount, not the label holding the album rights.
Paramount is now as cooperative as all get out, *yay*.

But just to list the rest...
THE MOTION PICTURE - Sony/Columbia
THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK - Capitol (who controls Capitol now??)
THE VOYAGE HOME - UMG
THE FINAL FRONTIER - Sony/Epic
THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY - UMG
and also there's...
GENERATIONS - GNP Crescendo
FIRST CONTACT - GNP Crescendo
INSURRECTION - GNP Crescendo
NEMESIS - Varèse Sarabande

Whatever comes next is anybody's guess...


Would you believe....everything!!!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2019 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I'm not holding my breath for any future expanded Trek albums and I am not sure anyone else should either. We should simply enjoy the fact that TREK II has been expanded and if any more follow, then so be it. It is herculean task to get studio and various record companies/parent companies involved, take the time to even talk, time to negotiate terms, draw up contracts, have the associated parties sign off, etc, so we all really need to slow down and not assume that there is a vast collection of expanded TREK albums just waiting in the wings for release this year.

So.... yay for TREK II!!! smile


It's not too late to delete this pessimistic post,.'Debbie Downer'
smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2019 - 7:56 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I just read that Woolston was born in 1970!

Oh man I feel old.
I.figured SW was a.boomer consider3 his love of Barry and 007.
.. Someone bring me.my wheelchair.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2019 - 8:00 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I posted my PRAISE & CONSTRUCTIVE OPINION and then its called bitching.

I don't think you were bitching. You found the CD lacking and described why. Fair enough.

That said, I think it's fairly self-aggrandizing to suggest your opinion was in any way constructive. You suggest making it a 2-disc set (yes, an obvious idea to all, including Lukas) and assume it would be easily accomplished. The very nature of your assumption (if they had access to one, they had access to both) and the statement that it is "logical" is naïve, and when the real world obstacles to your desired CD set were explained, you chose to ignore that and defensively restate your position.

May I therefore ask what's constructive about your statements?


Boy, Schiffy 2009 sounds.just like Schiffy 2019!

 
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