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 Posted:   Nov 30, 2014 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I believe this is called flailing when CD sales seem to be down for a lot of titles. Flailing can work, and flailing can fail. There is nothing like a flail fail, but whether this will succeed or flail is unknown at this time.

We almost did a vinyl release for the new Sandy Bainum album, but frankly it just wasn't worth either the cost or effort. The kiddies today are, of course, in their vinyl is cool mode - that will change as soon as they figure out the next cool thing - but the kiddies are very specific about what vinyl they buy.


I don't think this is flailing...Vinyl sales are up something like 1000% from last year. Mondo, Waxworks, Light in the Attic, all of those do limited vinyl records that sell out in minutes.


No idea why this would be viewed as flailing. I call it business development. We've been scrutinzing the vinyl market for some time and it was a measured decision with a specific strategy involved. I was in Barnes & Noble last week and they have a new display for vinyl, including soundtracks. Is it a passing rage? Probably, but we'll ride the wave while it lasts and not sit on the sidelines and let it pass.


Oh, don't get defensive - you know I was just having fun - forgot to put the smile

I'm, and I'm sure others, will be more than happy to sit on the sidelines and let you have it all to yourselves. Or maybe others will jump on it. It doesn't really interest me because most of what we would do would be two disc sets as the 180 gram folks don't really recommend more than seventeen minutes a side. So, have at it.



All to ourselves? I wish. I tried to get our Robocop license renewed and lost it to a label doing it on vinyl. And a holy grail release I've been after for years is coming out in vinly only by someone else. Check this out:

http://www.soundtracksonvinyl.com/


Dear me. As someone posted earlier, maybe it's time to bring back eight-tracks. I personally am going to start doing cassettes again. We're about ready for that nostalgia to be back with us. Maybe I'll do reel-to-reel tapes, too. Yes!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2014 - 10:41 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

I think it's time for audio cassettes to come back, and I'm serious about it.

I look forward to finding out what titles will be coming from Intada in vinyl, although I don't have a turntable at present.

Also excited about La La's upcoming releases, especially if a Herrmann title is involved.

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2014 - 10:49 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

I personally am going to start doing cassettes again. We're about ready for that nostalgia to be back with us.

Over the past couple years a few different labels have been releasing vintage scores on cassette. No shit!

Finders Keepers issues them in cool little clamshell cases (I haven't bought one, but I know someone who has):

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ucIYZukGkoQ/T2OT-bJ145I/AAAAAAAAAPo/L1OPEAYUc5M/s1600/Possession+soundtrack+tape.jpg

http://s816.photobucket.com/user/teenween2009/media/Records/IMG_0480.jpg.html


There was even a limited cassette version of the Guardians of the Galaxy soundtrack (more of a tie-in gimmick in that case, though). http://marvel.com/news/movies/23513/marvels_guardians_of_the_galaxy_awesome_mix_vol_1_goes_retro_with_limited_edition_cassette


EDIT: The aforementioned OneWayStatic is doing cassettes, too: http://www.onewaystatic.com/categories/cassettes

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2014 - 10:58 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)


All to ourselves? I wish. I tried to get our Robocop license renewed and lost it to a label doing it on vinyl. And a holy grail release I've been after for years is coming out in vinly only by someone else. Check this out:

http://www.soundtracksonvinyl.com/


Yikes! It seems bizarre to me that vinyl licensing would preclude a CD release. Then again, very little of this stuff makes sense to me these days.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2014 - 11:03 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

I've probably bought more vinyl than CDs this year and am glad some of the soundtrack labels are starting to recognize that there is market for this format. I hope Intrada will make their releases easier to get and available for a longer period than labels like Mondo.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 12:02 AM   
 By:   McMillan & Husband   (Member)

including at least one title that will probably be exclusive on vinyl and another one that will be greatly expanded from what it once was.

Well, as someone who doesn't own a turntable (and isn't looking to buy one) this kinda sucks. Granted, I don't know what any of these titles are so for all I know I might not be interested in picking them up in any format but making things exclusive to vinyl is a bit limiting I think. Others will probably disagree, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 1:34 AM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

including at least one title that will probably be exclusive on vinyl and another one that will be greatly expanded from what it once was.

Well, as someone who doesn't own a turntable (and isn't looking to buy one) this kinda sucks. Granted, I don't know what any of these titles are so for all I know I might not be interested in picking them up in any format but making things exclusive to vinyl is a bit limiting I think. Others will probably disagree, though.


I love vinyl, and I hated to see it disappearing, but I really hope that the releases will come out on CD as well? Presently (and for the likely future) I don't have room to set up a turntable, and at the moment my old turntable is located in a different place/city, although I do have all my old vinyl with me (in the attic). CD is the only reasonable option for me as a future purchase.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 1:36 AM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

I believe this is called flailing when CD sales seem to be down for a lot of titles. Flailing can work, and flailing can fail. There is nothing like a flail fail, but whether this will succeed or flail is unknown at this time.

We almost did a vinyl release for the new Sandy Bainum album, but frankly it just wasn't worth either the cost or effort. The kiddies today are, of course, in their vinyl is cool mode - that will change as soon as they figure out the next cool thing - but the kiddies are very specific about what vinyl they buy.


I don't think this is flailing...Vinyl sales are up something like 1000% from last year. Mondo, Waxworks, Light in the Attic, all of those do limited vinyl records that sell out in minutes.


No idea why this would be viewed as flailing. I call it business development. We've been scrutinzing the vinyl market for some time and it was a measured decision with a specific strategy involved. I was in Barnes & Noble last week and they have a new display for vinyl, including soundtracks. Is it a passing rage? Probably, but we'll ride the wave while it lasts and not sit on the sidelines and let it pass.


We have about 6-10 vinyls planned for 2015 as well. No reason why mondo and the likes should make money off our projects. We'll have deluxe packaging original artwork...the works. Might as well make a couple bucks. smile

MV




MV, I know I've asked you this before. Would you consider doing a Max Steiner CD(s) for 2015? You said in the past you might possibly do this in 2015. Thanks!


I don't think Steiner made the cut for next year. Tiomkin, Waxman, North, and possibly Herrmann are coming though. smile

MV




Thanks MV for the good news! Getting the LLL Shane was a dream come true for me, I wanted the score for nearly 50 years! A Certain Smile is beautiful, Gunfight at the O.K. Corral was another of my most wanted scores, etc. Please try to issue the golden age CDs best you can! smile


I can only completely agree with what Peter says here. La La Land, please keep those Golden Age releases coming.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 1:42 AM   
 By:   shadowman   (Member)

I bought vinyl soundtracks when they were the only game in town. When cd's came in, I started buying them and replacing whatever soundtracks I had on vinyl with cd's when available. I have no desire to return to the days of vinyl. They get dusty, wear out, you have to flip them over to play both sides, and if not stored properly, they can and do warp. Not to mention the fact that the
phonograph needle must be kept clean, and replaced when worn out. There are no places anywhere near where I live that can provide me with record cleaning items and replacement
phono needles. Also, the amount of music that a vinyl record can hold is less than that of a cd, and the lp is not portable like a cd. If the labels like Intrada, Lalaland, etc. want to start issuing soundtracks on vinyl (which I consider to be a dinosaur media) I wish them well. Maybe the auto
makers should bring back crank handles to start their cars with.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 2:02 AM   
 By:   Tony Renaud   (Member)

I believe this is called flailing when CD sales seem to be down for a lot of titles. Flailing can work, and flailing can fail. There is nothing like a flail fail, but whether this will succeed or flail is unknown at this time.

We almost did a vinyl release for the new Sandy Bainum album, but frankly it just wasn't worth either the cost or effort. The kiddies today are, of course, in their vinyl is cool mode - that will change as soon as they figure out the next cool thing - but the kiddies are very specific about what vinyl they buy.


I don't think this is flailing...Vinyl sales are up something like 1000% from last year. Mondo, Waxworks, Light in the Attic, all of those do limited vinyl records that sell out in minutes.


No idea why this would be viewed as flailing. I call it business development. We've been scrutinzing the vinyl market for some time and it was a measured decision with a specific strategy involved. I was in Barnes & Noble last week and they have a new display for vinyl, including soundtracks. Is it a passing rage? Probably, but we'll ride the wave while it lasts and not sit on the sidelines and let it pass.


I hope for predator and judgment night on vinyl.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 2:05 AM   
 By:   Tony Renaud   (Member)

I believe this is called flailing when CD sales seem to be down for a lot of titles. Flailing can work, and flailing can fail. There is nothing like a flail fail, but whether this will succeed or flail is unknown at this time.

We almost did a vinyl release for the new Sandy Bainum album, but frankly it just wasn't worth either the cost or effort. The kiddies today are, of course, in their vinyl is cool mode - that will change as soon as they figure out the next cool thing - but the kiddies are very specific about what vinyl they buy.


I don't think this is flailing...Vinyl sales are up something like 1000% from last year. Mondo, Waxworks, Light in the Attic, all of those do limited vinyl records that sell out in minutes.


No idea why this would be viewed as flailing. I call it business development. We've been scrutinzing the vinyl market for some time and it was a measured decision with a specific strategy involved. I was in Barnes & Noble last week and they have a new display for vinyl, including soundtracks. Is it a passing rage? Probably, but we'll ride the wave while it lasts and not sit on the sidelines and let it pass.


We have about 6-10 vinyls planned for 2015 as well. No reason why mondo and the likes should make money off our projects. We'll have deluxe packaging original artwork...the works. Might as well make a couple bucks. smile

MV


Predators and relic on vinyl please MV.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

From what I gather it seems the collect-ability factor is highest with these vinyl editions and focus is more on packaging than it is on what master is used (which is ironic given that fans of vinyl tout so much about quality). I do think it is a good evolution for labels to be part of this and I hope that they 'll also expand their catalogue into the digital domain? Some already have.

There is a Belgian label that releases cult horror titles in different formats: http://www.onewaystatic.com/

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   Mr. Popular   (Member)

Forgive me if this has been mentioned here, but I noticed that Doug Fake of Intrada posted on Thanksgiving that Intrada is working on several LPs (the kids now call them "vinyls"). Says he…

Our own label has no less than five upcoming 180 gram premium vinyl releases in pre-production now, including at least one title that will probably be exclusive on vinyl and another one that will be greatly expanded from what it once was.

An interesting and sure-to-be controversial development, no? (I have no idea if the vinyl exclusive(s) will be done that way for contractual or creative reasons.)

I admire Intrada and wish them well. I am unlikely to buy a turntable, though. I have no room for it, and while I'm sure the sound will be terrific, this just doesn't fit my lifestyle, for better or worse. (I was also never a very good LP-owner. They always scratched, no matter how well I thought I was taking care of them.) Still, I doubt there will be any shortage of good ol' CDs for me to buy, and I'm not delusional enough to believe every release should be made for me.


From my own experience, vinyl is a pain to ship as an online only product. They get bent, they can warp, sleeves dogear in the mailers. Vinyl is not cheap to produce and from my own experience, you can sell a thousand or 10. It's a tough business and the ones cleaning up are the labels doing the pop art approach (Wax Works, Mondo, Death Waltz).

I wish them luck though.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 2:38 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

The only thing I miss about LP's is the packaging, the lovely big covers & gatefold sleeves.. I don't miss the records at all. LP's are cool for certain kinds of music, not soundtracks. Good luck to Intrada.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

What's with all the whining? If you don't like vinyl, no one is forcing you to buy it. Those of us who like vinyl will buy these.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Jörn   (Member)


I think, it`s a great idea and hope Intradas will release some titles wich were never avaible on vinyl before.
I would defenetly buy some (if the titles interest me, of course)!

I also would LOVE to see some FSM titles on vinyl, like OMEGA-MAN or SOYLENT GREEN.

That would be truly amazing!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   JB Berg   (Member)

As a film music maniac (fond collector of both FSM and Intrada releases) and as an audiophile "amateur", I still remember as a nightmare the Vinyl Era, and (to me) this is just a memory, a bad one, now luckily left in the Middle-Age of the hi-fi history!
If Intrada will produce some "vinyl exclusives", I will pass over, waiting for the CD release.
I've no doubt about the matter.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

What's with all the whining? If you don't like vinyl, no one is forcing you to buy it. Those of us who like vinyl will buy these.

It's called comment & opinion, what these sites are for...& no one is forcing you to read it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

Very interesting development from Intrada - colour me cautiously excited by this news (love LPs). Cautiously as it depends on exactly WHAT is being put onto the LP. If it's the standard 16-bit CD master being put through the RIAA process and onto the LP one might as well stick with the CD. If it's higher-res masters being cut or - best case scenario like the recent Beatles mono set - full analogue transfers then I'd be very interested in buying these.

My hope is for each release Intrada will be completely open/honest about the source for each LP (16-bit/24-bit/analogue transfer to LP etc). I wouldn't buy unless they were... There are many jumping upon the vinyl band-wagon now, and many are lazily just replaying the 16-bit CD through a DAC to make the LP master. You get the worst of both formats that way.

Unfortunately many don't care - it's an LP so therefore will contain LP mojo/magic! wink

John.

P.S. The plural of vinyl is... vinyl - sorry to be pedantic wink

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

including at least one title that will probably be exclusive on vinyl and another one that will be greatly expanded from what it once was.

Well, as someone who doesn't own a turntable (and isn't looking to buy one) this kinda sucks. Granted, I don't know what any of these titles are so for all I know I might not be interested in picking them up in any format but making things exclusive to vinyl is a bit limiting I think. Others will probably disagree, though.


Why would it suck? The expanded album will come out after the CD is released. The exclusive is just coming out on vinyl first and then later on CD.

 
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