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 Posted:   Apr 12, 2019 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

It is being brought back to the big screen in a couple weeks...

https://www.fathomevents.com/events/tcm2019-ben-hur-60th-anniversary-1959


This Sunday's viewing in these parts is 1pm & 6pm, 3hrs 40 min. Same for coming Wednesday.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2019 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Today's viewing exceeded expectations, if that were possible. It built on what I felt during and after the 1st cinematic viewing in '98. Huge difference in sound, for example. Both dialogue and music were accentuated beyond the stars. I knew what was coming after the prologue and the blowing of the shofar and man, those horns segueing to the opening title were worth the price of admission alone. We're talking goosebumps territory. It never gets old.

I think the juxtaposition of themes in the oasis scene had never hit my awareness until this day. This is when the character of Balthasar (Finlay Currie) is introduced. And for me this is when Rozsa wins the Oscar. I was deeply impressed. As I was with all the various solo instrumental moments of the “Love Theme” but especially that of the cello during the scene when Miriam and Tirzah reveal themselves to Esther. It simply couldn't sound any better. Oh, my.

Another thing that stood out on this the biggest screen were the subtle nuances in performance. Even among the extras simple facial gestures, asides, whatever came through to a degree never experienced previously. I came away with a far greater appreciation for Stephen Boyd's performance. Sure, he had a sneer and a snarl for the ages that pretty well defined Messala but his crisp resonant delivery was abetted by body language that underlined unrelenting ambition with resolve and arrogance.

Oh and for the record, I wasn't sure if it was Khan or Scotty's nephew of which I was reminded most during Messala's final act of nastiness. His chewed up appearance was a wee too reminiscent.

Hugh Griffith's rambunctious “Sheik” was better than ever if that too were possible. Except I detected much darker make-up for the indoor set pieces vs. outdoors in the sunlight. Eh, maybe m'eyes were playing tricks but it sure seemed that way.

I also came away with a much greater respect for Martha Scott's work. No eyes playing tricks here. Hers was an anguished performance that tore me up at times, especially in that same scene mentioned above per cello. Anguish is anguish whether soft or hard. She handled both masterfully.

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2019 - 7:52 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Hugh Griffith's rambunctious “Sheik” was better than ever if that too were possible. Except I detected much darker make-up for the indoor set pieces vs. outdoors in the sunlight. Eh, maybe m'eyes were playing tricks but it sure seemed that way.

Saw it again myself this afternoon. (Hey, wait...was that you down on the 3rd row, making armpit farts during the love scenes between Judah and Esther???) But seriously, I'm with you -- Hugh Griffith was amazing and completely believable as the wily Sheikh. I am re-impressed every time I see him in the film. It was terrific seeing Ben-Hur again on the big screen, and I was moved repeatedly (and as always) by the "heart" of the film, not even talking about the size of the thing. Great film, never gets old (even if *I* do!)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2019 - 8:01 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

No Dana that was not me in the 3rd row. I was in the 5th--hey what am I saying? Forward, you dirty dog! big grin Once again we are on the same page but speaking of "old" I's gots mo' t'say but am tired and have to go to work in the morning. At an age when I should be retired (retiring?). Latuh!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   daved48   (Member)

I first saw Ben-Hur in Feb.1960 at the United Artist Theater in downtown Detroit.My Dad and his twin took me for my 12th birthday. What an experience! The music was especially touching and memorable.By the end of the year I had seen it twice more whenever I saved enough money to buy a $1.25 balcony seat and the bus fare downtown. My parents surprised me with the Lion/Kloss album when it was released.I believed they bought it at the supermarket.I drove them nuts playing it over and over.I saved enough to buy the boxed Savina album in the theater lobby at another viewing when our school went for for a Saturday morning matinee. Over the years I have seen it many more times and have owned every incarnation on video Beta,VHS,CED,Laserdisc DVD and finally Bluray. Hopefully a 4K disc will be made available this year.Oh,and yes I will be seeing it this Wednesday in the 60th anniversary showing. It is my favorite movie and my favorite score.I have gifted the DVD to friends and family members over the years. Likewise the score.There has never been another score or movie that I experienced in my life that has affected me this way.I learned to appreciate more films and more scores,but none like this.Miklos Rozsa's music is like no other.Thank you to the other posters who shared their memories of this very special film and score. Dave

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Stovepipe46   (Member)

I'm extremely jealous of you guys (and gals) living in the US and able to see this wonderful film again on the BIG screen. I live in the UK, in fact in a small village at the arse end of the world, where a trip to the cinema now is an event to be savoured ( not that there are many films these days that merit my consideration) .
I don't think that there is anywhere here that is offering this event so I'm gutted.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Quick question for those who attended the Sunday screening. Did they actually have an intermission break like in initial roadshow screenings or did they just plow through the intermission/entr'acte like TCM does on TV showings? I ask because I'm really considering going Wednesday.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

I'm extremely jealous of you guys (and gals) living in the US and able to see this wonderful film again on the BIG screen. I live in the UK, in fact in a small village at the arse end of the world, where a trip to the cinema now is an event to be savoured ( not that there are many films these days that merit my consideration) .
I don't think that there is anywhere here that is offering this event so I'm gutted.


Plenty of cinemas in the UK have one or two day special showings of classic films so there's no reason why BEN-HUR won't be shown in the future. My nearest cinema, for example, is showing THE WIZARD OF OZ next week.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Quick question for those who attended the Sunday screening. Did they actually have an intermission break like in initial roadshow screenings or did they just plow through the intermission/entr'acte like TCM does on TV showings? I ask because I'm really considering going Wednesday.

Rozsa's complete Overture was played against a blank screen prior to the opening scenes and narration ("Anno Domini"). Then (at the proper point) a 10 minute Intermission (with newish graphics and count-down clock) followed by a 3 or 4-minute Rozsa piece (in essence a shortened version of the Overture) also against a blank screen, before the film's second part commenced. I didn't remember the Intermission music from the Road Show but will look at my FSM B-H set to see if I can locate it. Ben Mankiewicz provided pre- and post-screening commentary which was nice, particularly for those who hadn't already heard the war stories about the hiring of William Wyler, the shooting of the chariot race etc.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

You got that right, DW. A new post will be created shortly that has something to do with my explaining to the lady & her teenage daughters to my right why we did not see OVERTURE on the screen as on the TCM broadcasts. And how the same might happen (yep, it did) after the intermission with the ENTR'ACTE music. Included the term "Roadshow" but I think it was over their heads.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 12:38 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Hugh Griffith was amazing and completely believable as the wily Sheikh. I am re-impressed every time I see him in the film. It was terrific seeing Ben-Hur again on the big screen, and I was moved repeatedly (and as always) by the "heart" of the film, not even talking about the size of the thing. Great film, never gets old (even if *I* do!)

Interesting that Heston later described Griffith's acting style as "snort and sweat". Accurate, but I wonder if he realized how great a performance he was witnessing.
Actually there's not a bad performance in the film. Jack Hawkins is rarely mentioned but is very fine--absolutely spot on in the intimate scenes. Even Haya Harareet, so often criticised, is very touching, even if her accent does occasionally stand out (maybe they should have ascribed her an origin in the dialogue, like Jean Simmons in Spartacus coming from "Britannia").
And yes, a truly great film, now preserved for all time in the underground archives against even nuclear attack. My favourite for all time. When I saw it in 1960 I thought, "Wow, if films are this good now, imagine how good they'll be in ten years." Unfortunately the most popular and acclaimed film around ten years later was Easy Rider. Hmm...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I am glad to see you mention those performances. I've seen the criticism over Miss Harareet's too and have never bought into it. When she exclaims, "You've become Messala!" it was dramatic as if all the earlier "softer-spokenness" were a set-up. That exclamation was a gut-puncher.

Good point vis-a-vis Jean Simmons and Spartacus.

Judah's reaction at that moment and upon this viewing also dispelled any doubts as to whether his subsequent "conversion" was believable. Oh my was he humbled and he, in turn, humbled himself the rest of the way. This had never been as clear to me before. And it was punctuated with the subtle unfolding expression of humility when the Son raises his head to him on the Via Dolorosa.

This is when Heston wins the Oscar, for me. Same goes for Wyler.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I am glad to see you mention those performances. I've seen the criticism over Miss Harareet's too and have never bought into it. When she exclaims, "You've become Messala!" it was dramatic as if all the earlier "softer-spokenness" were a set-up. That exclamation was a gut-puncher.

Good point vis-a-vis Jean Simmons and Spartacus.

Judah's reaction at that moment and upon this viewing also dispelled any doubts as to whether his subsequent "conversion" was believable. Oh my was he humbled and he, in turn, humbled himself the rest of the way. This had never been as clear to me before. And it was punctuated with the subtle unfolding expression of humility when the Son raises his head to him on the Via Dolorosa.

This is when Heston wins the Oscar, for me. Same goes for Wyler.


Yeah, that look on Heston's face, initially when as a prisoner he is given water, and then later when he is the giver of water to Jesus, still gives me goosebumps, and proves both the greatness of Heston's performance and the sheer wisdom of the decision not to show Jesus' face. The face could not possibly measure up to the power of Judah's reaction to it! And I thought Haya Harareet was terrific, just perfect and completely believable through the whole of the picture. Seeing it again reinforces all the reasons I've loved this film since forever.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Spot on. And as mentioned, Jack Hawkins nailed it too. The humbling of Arrius at the hands of Judah ran counterpoint to the humbling of Judah at the hand of the Christ. Never caught this before, at least consciously. As Ben M cited, screenplay was the only non-Oscar winning nomination which makes the collaborative effort of the uncredited writers quite an achievement.

I'm extremely jealous of you guys (and gals) living in the US and able to see this wonderful film again on the BIG screen. I live in the UK, in fact in a small village at the arse end of the world, where a trip to the cinema now is an event to be savoured ( not that there are many films these days that merit my consideration) .
I don't think that there is anywhere here that is offering this event so I'm gutted.


Sir, I am going back tonight for an encore viewing (a freebie per other related thread). I am therefore going for the both of us. Cheers.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Judah's reaction at that moment and upon this viewing also dispelled any doubts as to whether his subsequent "conversion" was believable. Oh my was he humbled and he, in turn, humbled himself the rest of the way. This had never been as clear to me before. And it was punctuated with the subtle unfolding expression of humility when the Son raises his head to him on the Via Dolorosa

A related detail I just noticed in this screening: The dissolve from his reaction shot frames him in the cave opening of the Valley of the Lepers. It vivifies the earlier metaphor "alive in a grave" and presages his desire to climb out of his deathly trap. As for the line "you have become Messala," it has already been signaled in the music. The great Act 1 finale literally transforms Messala's theme into Judah's.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Saw today's afternoon showing. Biggest take away was the sound and the great Rozsa score.

1. Visually nowhere close to the original(what I remember of it) showing in NY's Loews State way back in 1960.

2. The score was spectacular. Sounded as if it was just recorded. I just couldn't believe it.

3. I like the way TCM warned the uniniated of the minutes remaining till showtime as well as the six minute Overture and the ten minute intermission.

4. Seeing BH on a 60 hd tv with a 7.1 sound system is no substiture to seeing such a movie on the big screen.

5. All the actors were exceptional and not just the Award Winners. Credit must go out to director William Wyler.

I have purchased every recording and release of the Rozsa score starting with the MGM box with souvenir book and none come close to the sound on the film. And that includes the blu ray. Because of this I question what Rhino used for their fine first original score release as well the much better FSM box set. Though I believe the original tracks were utilized for those releases the sound on the film soundtrack was so superior. Perhaps the film's sound has been messaged over the years or that cd / bluray sound cannot compare to a good theater's sound system. All the I can say is wow!

I truly hope that WB continues to celebrate the film's 60 th Anniversary with a 4k UHD release with upgraded sound.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 6:50 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

As mentioned, the Sound of the music and all the rest at the TCM theatrical showing of "Ben-Hur" in the US this week is simply Fantastic! The chariot race Rumbles and the Overture Sings!

What a treat!

Fortunately, the FSM box set is exquisite and the two original soundtrack discs sound Great!

One of the great film music collectibles of all time.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 8:48 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

2. The score was spectacular. Sounded as if it was just recorded. I just couldn't believe it.

3. I like the way TCM warned the uninitiated of the minutes remaining till showtime as well as the six minute Overture and the ten minute intermission.


The sound was very fine for its age. There's something about hearing it in a large space that cannot quite be captured by home audio. The countdown clock is routinely used for the opera screenings these days. And yes, the advance warning about the "musical overture" was a thoughtful touch.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2019 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Hey Rozsaphile, made sure to catch your dissolve reference (Judah/ leper cave) and metaphor. Good one all right. And led to another, after he was moved by Esther's display of faith in approaching and touching his mother. Once he touched her too he was as "unclean" and in need of redemption as the rest of the nation that he had condemned earlier.

Great to see others chiming in. I have come away assured that I have had one of those filmgoing experiences of a lifetime.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2019 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I'm confused. It would seem all sites for contributors to this thread & another except mine had TCM captions for the Overture and more. Would've come in handy for said uninitiated among the management at my Sunday premiere.

1. Visually nowhere close to the original(what I remember of it) showing in NY's Loews State way back in 1960.

Wow. What I saw looked mighty fine but perhaps not as crisp or whatever, per se, as the restored Lawrence Of Arabia at the Ziegfeld Theatre almost 30 years ago. A minor quibble at best for me. And it was nice to envision myself watching it as if it were 1960 in my hometown cinema where it would have filled the screen and been enjoyed from a balcony seat.

The chariot race Rumbles and the Overture Sings!

Yup!

 
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