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 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Echoplex is just a brand name for a tape delay system, like Hoover is a brand of vacuum cleaner.

Old tape delays are very cool and were used for a ton of sound effects in sci-fi shows and movies back in the day - eg. all the original Trek phaser sounds and the Martian ships from War of The Worlds were done with tape delay feedback sounds. Many many more.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

Marco Beltrami and Buck Sanders used the echoplex very well as a throwback in Don't Be Afraid of the Dark -- cues are not available on youtube but a really good example is the track "Sneaky Sally."

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN. I believe it's in "Battle in the Mutara Nebula." Other than Jerry's use of it in PATTON (which for me has such psychological impact, both for the character and the film), TREK II is my favourite.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

A Correction to the article on “History of Delay.” Ray Butts created a device called the EchoSonic, he had no direct involvement in the Echoplex—excepting, of course, the fact that the father of the Echoplex, Mike Battle, mimicked the basic concept for his trademark device.

The Echoplex uses a “sliding” Record head to vary the delay time—not tape speed. This way a higher quality was maintained—and part of what made it attractive to professionals in the recording industry.

For me, QB VII has perhaps the most heart-wrenching use of the Echoplex in “Jadwiga Relived” and “The Theme From QB VII—A Kaddish For The Six Million” (In the original recording, that is).

Goldsmith used the Echoplex in THE CASSANDRA CROSSING.

By 1982, when WRATH OF KHAN was recorded, most studios had junked their Echoplex units and moved on to inexpensive digital delays (which were also stereo devices and zero maintenence, whereas the Echoplex was mono and used tape cartridges that had to be replaced often). In fact, my community college recording studio had a rack mounted digital delay by 1983—and they were definitely on a budget!

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

By 1982, when WRATH OF KHAN was recorded, most studios had junked their Echoplex units and moved on to inexpensive digital delays (which were also stereo devices and zero maintenence, whereas the Echoplex was mono and used tape cartridges that had to be replaced often). In fact, my community college recording studio had a rack mounted digital delay by 1983—and they were definitely on a budget!

This is great info! I was referring to echoplex more as a musical device, although I hadn't given it enough thought to realize that of course it wouldn't be the actual mono tape heads for WRATH OF KHAN, which was a digital recording. As an actual patented invention, it's incredible. As a musical device, "echoplex" used generically, it's indelible.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Actually, the discussion takes me back to the Intrada Patton echoplex trumpet sessions. You can hear heavy, clunky push buttons being pressed and at one point Jerry becomes audibly irritated with the apparently cumbersome nature of the process. The final effect was well worth it, though.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 6:24 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

I suppose the PATTON main title should be mentioned before we get to page 2 of this thread.

Perhaps the quintessential echoplex score, I'd say.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2017 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

The climatic battle scenes in Jerry Goldsmith's score in "In Harm's Way" which the Hammond Novachord tracks were put through an echoplex that was modified by electronic music genius Paul Beaver (and this was the same modified keyboard that was used for Goldsmith's score for "The Satan Bug"). If Leigh Phillips is going to reconstruct the score for "In Harm's Way" as Tadlow's next Goldsmith World Premiere Recording, it's going to be a challenge to find a Hammond Novachord in perfect working order (as well as finding an Echoplex) and even more challenging to recreate those sounds. Though not film music related, and echoplex was also used for the electric guitar solo that simulated the sound of raindrops falling for The Dramatics' "In The Rain".

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2017 - 12:38 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

If Leigh Phillips is going to reconstruct the score for "In Harm's Way" as Tadlow's next Goldsmith World Premiere Recording, it's going to be a challenge to find a Hammond Novachord in perfect working order (as well as finding an Echoplex) and even more challenging to recreate those sounds.

It wouldn't be that difficult because there are at least two very good Novachord sample instruments available, and a Solovox sample instrument - I have one of each and can get quite authentic vintage Goldsmith electro sounds from them. Likewise tape delay/Echoplex recreations - plenty of them out there in Midi-land, many indistinguishable from the real thing.

BTW I think the Solovox was the primary instrument used for the characteristic Satan Bug riff and In Harm's Way.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2017 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   P.Tsakiris   (Member)

Also in Maurice Jarre's The Posse, Burning Dollars and Main Title

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

If Leigh Phillips is going to reconstruct the score for "In Harm's Way" as Tadlow's next Goldsmith World Premiere Recording, it's going to be a challenge to find a Hammond Novachord in perfect working order (as well as finding an Echoplex) and even more challenging to recreate those sounds.

It wouldn't be that difficult because there are at least two very good Novachord sample instruments available, and a Solovox sample instrument - I have one of each and can get quite authentic vintage Goldsmith electro sounds from them. Likewise tape delay/Echoplex recreations - plenty of them out there in Midi-land, many indistinguishable from the real thing.

BTW I think the Solovox was the primary instrument used for the characteristic Satan Bug riff and In Harm's Way.


Sorry Heath!!! You're right!! The use of it in "The Satan Bug" was mentioned in Pt. 1 of the Keyboard Magazine interview with Goldsmith (of which I donated a photocopy to the Margaret Herrick Library). The Solovox was also manufactured by Hammond, by the way. I hope if Leigh Phillips reconstructs Goldsmith's score for "In Harm's Way" I hope he uses that Solovox sample instrument. Goldsmith used on in "Our Man Flint" didn't he? And of course Hugo Montenegro used in in his scores for "I Dream Of Jeannie" (one of his few themes in which he never recorded for any of his albums).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   Chris Hadley   (Member)

If Leigh Phillips is going to reconstruct the score for "In Harm's Way" as Tadlow's next Goldsmith World Premiere Recording, it's going to be a challenge to find a Hammond Novachord in perfect working order (as well as finding an Echoplex) and even more challenging to recreate those sounds.

It wouldn't be that difficult because there are at least two very good Novachord sample instruments available, and a Solovox sample instrument - I have one of each and can get quite authentic vintage Goldsmith electro sounds from them. Likewise tape delay/Echoplex recreations - plenty of them out there in Midi-land, many indistinguishable from the real thing.

BTW I think the Solovox was the primary instrument used for the characteristic Satan Bug riff and In Harm's Way.


Specifically, which Novachord/Solovox/Echoplex samplers are you referring to? I know there are several Echoplex devices that guitarists use alongside amps.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2017 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   Mike_H   (Member)

My favorite is the ARP 2600 bass line fed through the echoplex in the main and end title for Damien: Omen II. I didn't even know the echoplex was used until someone was kind enough to look at the original sketches for me at AMPAS a few years ago. It's one of the reasons I prefer the original recordings to the re-recording. It's such a mischievous and sinister sound.

 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2017 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

My favorite is the ARP 2600 bass line fed through the echoplex in the main and end title for Damien: Omen II. I didn't even know the echoplex was used until someone was kind enough to look at the original sketches for me at AMPAS a few years ago. It's one of the reasons I prefer the original recordings to the re-recording. It's such a mischievous and sinister sound.

You reminded me that JG used it in QB VII; I think the cue was "The Holocaust."

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2017 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Hey, hey! STAR TRACK TMP, "The Meld"!

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2018 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

And there's some in THE PHANTOM TOLLBOOTH (1970), when the big gift box appears.

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2018 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2019 - 6:07 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

THE MEPHISTO WALTZ, "A New Miles'



http://soundtrackcollector.com/title/9315/Mephisto+Waltz%2C+The

Plus some flutes in the "The Other" suite.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2019 - 10:39 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Billy Goldenberg.was a master if the echoplex.
Early COLUMBO has many.fine examples.

 
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