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 Posted:   Aug 5, 2018 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

In terms of overuse, the same could be said for popular song, etc. .....how many times in the movies have we heard "What A Wonderful World", "Just The Way You Look Tonight", "Nessun Dorma", "Spirit In The Sky" and a few more? Talk about limited imagination! No one making a film seems to look past what they previously heard in a film, but instead says "oh I like that tune let's use it in our film too". They don't bother to open their minds to other song possibilities, especially when there are hundreds if not thousands of great songs, American Standards and otherwise that could be used instead, and therefore give the film a "fresh" new/ old sound when the need to use a song is called for.....but not surprising, just the same old same old.

Just to add to this, when film makers want to invoke a feeling of the 1960s, you'll almost inevitably hear, The Zombies' "Time of the Season".... roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2018 - 7:34 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

In terms of overuse, the same could be said for popular song, etc. .....how many times in the movies have we heard "What A Wonderful World", "Just The Way You Look Tonight", "Nessun Dorma", "Spirit In The Sky" and a few more? Talk about limited imagination! No one making a film seems to look past what they previously heard in a film, but instead says "oh I like that tune let's use it in our film too". They don't bother to open their minds to other song possibilities, especially when there are hundreds if not thousands of great songs, American Standards and otherwise that could be used instead, and therefore give the film a "fresh" new/ old sound when the need to use a song is called for.....but not surprising, just the same old same old.

THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A THREAD ON THIS.
BUT YOU ARRE RIGHT!

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2018 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

In terms of overuse, the same could be said for popular song, etc. .....how many times in the movies have we heard "What A Wonderful World", "Just The Way You Look Tonight", "Nessun Dorma", "Spirit In The Sky" and a few more? Talk about limited imagination! No one making a film seems to look past what they previously heard in a film, but instead says "oh I like that tune let's use it in our film too". They don't bother to open their minds to other song possibilities, especially when there are hundreds if not thousands of great songs, American Standards and otherwise that could be used instead, and therefore give the film a "fresh" new/ old sound when the need to use a song is called for.....but not surprising, just the same old same old.

Just to add to this, when film makers want to invoke of feeling of the 1960s,, you'll almost inevitably hear, The Zombies' "Time of the Season".... roll eyes


..and to evoke the 'tumultuous Sixties'...
...here comes "For What It;'s Worth"




"NOooOOoOOOOOOOOOO!"

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2018 - 7:38 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

"O Fortuna" from Carmina Burana.


see: "ADAGIO FOR STRINGS"

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2018 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

"Igor lost the copyright. One reason it was used alot!"

IMDB TRIVIA:

"In 1936 Igor Stravinsky sued Warner Bros. over the 'misuse' of his themes from the ballet "The Firebird". In 1938 a French court awarded him one franc in damages, instead of the 300,000 francs he was claiming."

***

Tonight I caught the rest of this strange movie, artfully directed by William Dieterle, but ultimately pretentious, moralistic and muddled. The composer does get his due in the dialogue when a matriarch scolds her daughter for playing a forbidden phonograph record of "The Firebird by Igor Stravinsky," which she claims is "fit only for savages." Which of course many people felt about "The Rite of Spring" at its infamous premiere, but not "The Firebird."


I POSTED A THREAD ON THIS TOPIC.
Find it if you can
smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2018 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

My goodness, the list is endless:

- Mozart's 'Eine Kleine Nachtmusik'
- Verdi's 'Dies Irae' from his Requiem
- Strauss' 'Blue Danube'
- Copland's 'Fanfare for the common man'
- Anything resembling Orff's 'Carmina Burana'
- Debussy's 'Clair de lune'
- Beethoven's No.3 piano sonata.

And I am also tired of seeing (and hearing) the same names scoring the same crappy films. Hollywood would do itself a great favor if its producers decided to gamble on completely unknown names from music schools and conservatories around the world. I'd bet some serious money that we would get better music from them than from the Zimmers, Powells, Jablonskys, and other household names whose music have ruined the now-defunct art of film music.

Mark my words, if you will.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2018 - 9:32 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Bear McCreary wrote his own classical and opera pieces for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, and it worked out great.

Yes, the evidence for Ramin Djawadi being no Bear McCreary is pretty convincing.


Um... You win? (I love them both.)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2018 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   JEC   (Member)

"Pachelbel's Canon" for every movie with a wedding scene.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2018 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Don't forget "2001"!
While it may not be (over)used in films anymore, you still hear it in commercials.
Sorry, Richard, we just love it too much not to use it!

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2018 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

"Pachelbel's Canon" for every movie with a wedding scene.


Oh I love that piece. never gets old!

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2018 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Don't forget "2001"!
While it may not be (over)used in films anymore, you still hear it in commercials.
Sorry, Richard, we just love it too much not to use it!


Don't get me started!

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2018 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

1812 Overture

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2018 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Nutcracker, for sure.

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2018 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Don't forget "2001"!
While it may not be (over)used in films anymore, you still hear it in commercials.
Sorry, Richard, we just love it too much not to use it!


Don't get me started!


For sure. I wonder how many folks even know its name? If folks could listen to just the first 2 or 3 minutes, they'd be in awe of its beauty.

My own alma mater uses it as intro music for their football team. I'm kinda split over that; glad that football fans are hearing Strauss's work, but cringing at the thought of them thinking someone at the University wrote it for the team.

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2018 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

1812 Overture

Ditto. There are some July 4th celebrations that use it. Talk about context! Yet, at least they're hearing beautiful music.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2018 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   fleming   (Member)

Carmina Burana (Orff) Epic choral template for many movies. I think I heard its influence for the first time in the main title from "The Lion in Winter".

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2018 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Certainly we can't forget Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. Countless horror films. But Andre Previn used it to good effect in ROLLERBALL.

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2018 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Certainly we can't forget Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. Countless horror films. But Andre Previn used it to good effect in ROLLERBALL.

I agree, he did make good use of it and it set the tone and mood for the film.
At the same time, I wonder why he used other classical pieces for the bulk of the score.
Sometimes classical is a good fit, but I really prefer the composer use their own work.
Maybe once you've committed to classical for your main title, you have to go classical the rest of the way.(?) Or did someone else make that decision?
It would be interesting if there was a score of his own music that Previn did for Rollerball that was "rejected" for classical.
I think I've stated this before on another thread, but I really would've preferred Previn use the fourth movement form Shostakovitch's 5th to end the film instead of repeating "Tocacata and Fugue".

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2018 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

One of my favorite classical insertions (and adaptations) is Anton Rubinstein's "Kamennoi Ostrow", which is played by solo cello; solo piano, and then a brief adaptation by Bernhard Kaun in Michael Curtiz' THE WALKING DEAD (1936). The melody also opens Disney's FLOWERS AND TREES.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLdH6watmqQ

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2018 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Certainly we can't forget Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. Countless horror films. But Andre Previn used it to good effect in ROLLERBALL.

It would be interesting if there was a score of his own music that Previn did for Rollerball that was "rejected" for classical.


I tend to doubt it. I believe this was Previn's last Hollywood project, completed after he had become conductor of the LSO. In fact, the LSO performed the soundtrack.

 
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