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 Posted:   Sep 25, 2019 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

How an related note. JW was announced to give concert with the St. Louis Symphony this morning. Tickets sold out in 40 minutes and I missed out. I've seen him twice before but when he's this close to where you live you just don't pass it up.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2019 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

"Andre Previn kept saying in the sixties he was going to be the next major Hollywood composer."

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Did he really? (Was he ever caught in print nursing this prognostication?) I'd have thought by then maybe he'd have started setting his sights on loftier goals. Then again, maybe he began having such ambitions when he felt he'd already gone as far in Hollywood as he could. Wonder what people in the Polo Lounge might have thought if he'd ever declared that some day he'd be Knighted...


 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2019 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

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Come again, PNJ?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2019 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

You're not supposed to read my posts while I'm still trying to figure out how to type on a computer.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2019 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   daretodream   (Member)

"Andre Previn kept saying in the sixties he was going to be the next major Hollywood composer."

***

Did he really? (Was he ever caught in print nursing this prognostication?) I'd have thought by then maybe he'd have started setting his sights on loftier goals. Then again, maybe he began having such ambitions when he felt he'd already gone as far in Hollywood as he could. Wonder what people in the Polo Lounge might have thought if he'd ever declared that some day he'd be Knighted...


Interesting. Previn also once said that film music has absolutely no place in the concert world lol

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2019 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Altman and Williams had a ten year relationship?
IMAGES.... LONG GOODBYE.

What else?

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2019 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   thx99   (Member)

Altman and Williams had a ten year relationship?
IMAGES.... LONG GOODBYE.

What else?


Nightmare in Chicago/Once Upon a Savage Night (Kraft Suspense Theatre) (1964)

The Katherine Reed Story (1965)

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2019 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Altman and Williams had a ten year relationship?
IMAGES.... LONG GOODBYE.

What else?


Nightmare in Chicago/Once Upon a Savage Night (Kraft Suspense Theatre) (1964)

The Katherine Reed Story (1965)


Thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2019 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

A few more as well:

Kraft Mystery Theatre -- "The Image Merchants"
Kraft Suspense Theatre -- "Once Upon a Savage Night"/NIGHTMARE IN CHICAGO, "The Hunt" (shadow-directed by Altman) and "The Long, Lost Life of Edward Smalley"'
The NIGHTWATCH pilot
The KATHRYN REED short
IMAGES
THE LONG GOODBYE

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2019 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"Andre Previn kept saying in the sixties he was going to be the next major Hollywood composer"
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I think this comment has been misinterpreted here?
I read it as Previn saying he (Williams) was going to be the next big thing.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2019 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

A few more as well:

Kraft Mystery Theatre -- "The Image Merchants"
Kraft Suspense Theatre -- "Once Upon a Savage Night"/NIGHTMARE IN CHICAGO, "The Hunt" (shadow-directed by Altman) and "The Long, Lost Life of Edward Smalley"'
The NIGHTWATCH pilot
The KATHRYN REED short


IMAGES


THE LONG GOODBYE


All those tv directed by Altman? Availability on disc or YT?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2019 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

All those tv directed by Altman? Availability on disc or YT?

"The Image Merchants" and NIGHTWATCH are not available anywhere, to my knowledge.
The Kraft Suspense episodes are on YT, last time I checked.
KATHRYN REED STORY is available as bonus material on the ALTMAN (2014) doc.
IMAGES and THE LONG GOODBYE are on DVD.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2019 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)


There’s an interview from awhile ago where JW says to his daughter something to the effect of, “I wasn’t around all that much, was I?” It really is an all consuming endeavor with him.


Audrey Wilder said that being married to Billy Wilder she had to come to accept that she would always come second, after his work in films.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2019 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

So it's not like it was some 43-year-old nobody getting his big break on JAWS. He had a very accomplished career already, basically on the level James Horner was in the early 90s (prior to BRAVEHEART and TITANIC). So it's more like it cemented him firmly among the A list composers at the time.

To me, the turning point was The Reivers. That was really when "Johnny Williams" became John Williams, and he followed up that score with arresting efforts like Images, and The Towering Inferno.

He had some solid work to his credit prior to that (like None But The Brave and How To Steal A Million) but I don't feel he "knocked it out of the park" until The Reivers. Bachelor Father, Lost in Space, Fitzwilly and Diamond Head didn't really offer him much of an opportunity to show what he could do.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2019 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Again, my earlier post disappeared. Probably due to the board's downtime.

In any case, I disagree with Paul above. I think John Williams "became John Williams" with HEIDI in 1968, if you're thinking about it in terms of style, and the neo-romantic approach he is known for today; a style being used consistently throughout a whole score. It was a TV movie, but still a very important turning point for him that way.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2019 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

What post Thor?
You made no such post.
Maybe you're being deleted out of existence.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2019 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Yes, some posts from Monday morning vanished. I here reconstitute my own, which was in response to the claim of HEIDI as a decisive turning point.

I'd agree that HEIDI (1968) and JANE EYRE (1971), both Emmy-awarded, together presaged the glories to come. We may also wonder if the tragic loss of his first wife in 1974 played some part in the full maturing of Williams's mighty talent. Note that the Violin Concerto of 1976, dedicated to Barbara Ruick's memory, became the most ambitious and successful of Williams's concert works up to that time.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2019 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • As stubbornly modest as he is brilliant.

    Yeah, it's starting to piss me off. AT LEAST MUMBLE YOUR MAGNIFICENCE THROUGH A COSTCO INTERCOM FOR ONCE, THE TOWNER!!!

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     Posted:   Oct 8, 2019 - 2:25 PM   
     By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

    So it's not like it was some 43-year-old nobody getting his big break on JAWS. He had a very accomplished career already, basically on the level James Horner was in the early 90s (prior to BRAVEHEART and TITANIC). So it's more like it cemented him firmly among the A list composers at the time.

    To me, the turning point was The Reivers. That was really when "Johnny Williams" became John Williams, and he followed up that score with arresting efforts like Images, and The Towering Inferno.

    He had some solid work to his credit prior to that (like None But The Brave and How To Steal A Million) but I don't feel he "knocked it out of the park" until The Reivers. Bachelor Father, Lost in Space, Fitzwilly and Diamond Head didn't really offer him much of an opportunity to show what he could do.


    I do agree with Paul, but would state that it was The Reivers and Jane Eyre together that marked the transformation. Heidi doesn't really cut it, especially in comparison to those two.

     
     
     Posted:   Oct 8, 2019 - 2:33 PM   
     By:   Thor   (Member)

    I do agree with Paul, but would state that it was The Reivers and Jane Eyre together that marked the transformation. Heidi doesn't really cut it, especially in comparison to those two.

    Of course it cuts it. Obviously, I think both THE REIVERS and JANE EYRE are stronger scores, but they were NOT the first that defined the Williams we know today in terms of style. That was HEIDI. Scores prior to that had touched on what was to come, but HEIDI was the first that was consistently 'contemporary John Williams' throughout. That's not an opinon, that's a fact.

     
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