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 Posted:   Feb 11, 2020 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

Why would people want the longer versions? They literally take music from other discs....which exist on this set.

Pretty sure there's a significant amount of music in the extended The Sea Hawk (15:35), Of Human Bondage (12:24) and Between Two Worlds (7:30) suites on the longer original Korngold CD not represented anywhere else here.

And Peyton Place from the longer Waxman CD is only otherwise present on the "Spectacular World..." CD, not included here.


Exactly. Thank you. This is a fantastic set but it's disappointing (but somehow not unexpected) that Sony neglected to included those longer suites.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2020 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

Why would people want the longer versions? They literally take music from other discs....which exist on this set.

Pretty sure there's a significant amount of music in the extended The Sea Hawk (15:35), Of Human Bondage (12:24) and Between Two Worlds (7:30) suites on the longer original Korngold CD not represented anywhere else here.

And Peyton Place from the longer Waxman CD is only otherwise present on the "Spectacular World..." CD, not included here.


Exactly. Thank you. This is a fantastic set but it's disappointing (but somehow not unexpected) that Sony neglected to included those longer suites.


I prefer the suites the way Gerhardt performed them. Placing them in film order interrupts the beautiful flow that Gerhardt created IMHO.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2020 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Why would people want the longer versions? They literally take music from other discs....which exist on this set.

I thought the THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD suite on the Dutton-Vocalion remaster of the LOST HORIZON disc was never released before.

I presume that will be missing from this box, so there may still be value in the Dutton-Vocalion discs.

Cheers


It was on The Spectacular World of the Classic Film Scores along with a few other cues & suites that were left off the main albums. I can understand that the longer edits are not in this set (they were only released once & then RCA/Sony had a change of mind), but it's disappointing that this album isn't in the set.

I know this set is amazing value, but I wish that Sony had let La-La Land have a go at editing & releasing the various albums.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2020 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Why would people want the longer versions? They literally take music from other discs....which exist on this set.

Pretty sure there's a significant amount of music in the extended The Sea Hawk (15:35), Of Human Bondage (12:24) and Between Two Worlds (7:30) suites on the longer original Korngold CD not represented anywhere else here.

And Peyton Place from the longer Waxman CD is only otherwise present on the "Spectacular World..." CD, not included here.


Exactly. Thank you. This is a fantastic set but it's disappointing (but somehow not unexpected) that Sony neglected to included those longer suites.


I prefer the suites the way Gerhardt performed them. Placing them in film order interrupts the beautiful flow that Gerhardt created IMHO.


Then he must have changed his mind because the extended Korngold disk was produced with his involvement.

It's really just about the cents that this music keeps sitting on the shelves.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2020 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

I believe Max's acetate of Gerhardt's THE BIG SLEEP suite was longer (12 1/2 minutes) than was released on the Steiner album. And that version also came out on one of those unauthorized CINEMA RECORDS LP's. Pretty sure it was mono.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2020 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

Why would people want the longer versions? They literally take music from other discs....which exist on this set.

Pretty sure there's a significant amount of music in the extended The Sea Hawk (15:35), Of Human Bondage (12:24) and Between Two Worlds (7:30) suites on the longer original Korngold CD not represented anywhere else here.

And Peyton Place from the longer Waxman CD is only otherwise present on the "Spectacular World..." CD, not included here.


Exactly. Thank you. This is a fantastic set but it's disappointing (but somehow not unexpected) that Sony neglected to included those longer suites.


I prefer the suites the way Gerhardt performed them. Placing them in film order interrupts the beautiful flow that Gerhardt created IMHO.


Then he must have changed his mind because the extended Korngold disk was produced with his involvement.

It's really just about the cents that this music keeps sitting on the shelves.


He was there cutting and splicing not conducting.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2020 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

I thought the THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD suite on the Dutton-Vocalion remaster of the LOST HORIZON disc was never released before.

I presume that will be missing from this box, so there may still be value in the Dutton-Vocalion discs.


It was actually released twice, on RCA (already mentioned by Rameau) then on Newton Classics (third CD in the set):

https://www.discogs.com/Charles-Gerhardt-Spectacular-World-Of-Classic-Film-Scores/release/10262933

https://www.discogs.com/Max-Steiner-Franz-Waxman-Korngold-Herrmann-R%C3%B3zsa-Tiomkin-Williams-Famous-Film-Scores/release/14315176

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2020 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

I thought the THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD suite on the Dutton-Vocalion remaster of the LOST HORIZON disc was never released before.

I presume that will be missing from this box, so there may still be value in the Dutton-Vocalion discs.


It was actually released twice, on RCA (already mentioned by Rameau) then on Newton Classics (third CD in the set):

https://www.discogs.com/Charles-Gerhardt-Spectacular-World-Of-Classic-Film-Scores/release/10262933

https://www.discogs.com/Max-Steiner-Franz-Waxman-Korngold-Herrmann-R%C3%B3zsa-Tiomkin-Williams-Famous-Film-Scores/release/14315176



Actually, FOUR times.

The RCA Home Video album from the early days of compact disc:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Artists-The-Home-Video-Album/release/9029070

and the Post Office Composers Stamps tie-in "Celebrating The Classics":

https://www.discogs.com/Charles-Gerhardt-National-Philharmonic-Orchestra-Celebrating-The-Classics/release/3953705

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2020 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   Panavision70   (Member)

To make a religious analogy, the Gerhardt albums are the Five Books of Moses of film music.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2020 - 1:11 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I know this set is amazing value, but I wish that Sony had let La-La Land have a go at editing & releasing the various albums.

Is there something wrong with the Dutton-Vocalion remasters?

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2020 - 3:44 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

Actually, FOUR times.

The RCA Home Video album from the early days of compact disc:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Artists-The-Home-Video-Album/release/9029070

and the Post Office Composers Stamps tie-in "Celebrating The Classics":

https://www.discogs.com/Charles-Gerhardt-National-Philharmonic-Orchestra-Celebrating-The-Classics/release/3953705



I didn't know these releases, thank you.

And I've just seen, and didn't know, that The Spectacular Film World of Classic Film Scores was also previously released on LP, in 1976 (UK) and USA (1978):

https://www.discogs.com/Charles-Gerhardt-National-Philharmonic-Orchestra-The-Spectacular-World-Of-Classic-Film-Scores/release/7470830

https://www.discogs.com/Charles-Gerhardt-The-Spectacular-World-Of-Classic-Film-Scores-20-Highlights-From-The-Best-Selling-RC/release/4773259

I had always thought it was only released on CD, apart from the original LP series.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Dr Smith   (Member)

SAE is now showing this set as ready to ship, but shipping cost is over $14.00.
SAE recently announced they will no longer ship via USPS Media Mail, which increases shipping costs significantly.
I went ahead and ordered it on Grooves.land for $28.88 plus $1.06 for shipping.
I expect delivery will take a bit longer, but Europe to US shipping times seem to rarely be more than two weeks these days.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2020 - 9:47 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Clips are now available for listening at Presto Classical.
Unfortunately, those clips reveal that the bad "startup" wow at the very start of Captain Blood (Overture) and The Treasure of the Sierra Madre suite are still present. Some might recall that the Dolby Surround CDs were free of this particular problem, but the more recent (and generally much better-sounding) "yellow" series exhibited those momentary unsteady sounds in those two tracks. I was hoping they might have rectified it for this new release, but they haven't.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

Has it been definitely determined that there are no liner notes?

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Clips are now available for listening at Presto Classical.
Unfortunately, those clips reveal that the bad "startup" wow at the very start of Captain Blood (Overture) and The Treasure of the Sierra Madre suite are still present. Some might recall that the Dolby Surround CDs were free of this particular problem, but the more recent (and generally much better-sounding) "yellow" series exhibited those momentary unsteady sounds in those two tracks. I was hoping they might have rectified it for this new release, but they haven't.


I think this is everything we can expect from Sony. By what gets released, I suspect that they are having a re-issue program in which they systemically re-issue all LP masters in their possession (without any bonus tracks). Unless your favorite artist's name is Elvis Presley or Leonard Bernstein, I wouldn't expect any new remasters at this point of time. I think it's great what they are doing nonetheless. If only they would tackle the monaural material as well.

For us soundtrack collectors it is of course a catastrophe since it kills the opportunity for any additional material to be released. A mess if you have a 25 minute album (re-)recording and the full scores runs for 70+ minutes.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Has it been definitely determined that there are no liner notes?

None of the boxes in the series had any liner notes - just a small booklet containing the track listings.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

Has it been definitely determined that there are no liner notes?

None of the boxes in the series had any liner notes - just a small booklet containing the track listings.


There isn't any booklet in this collection, the track listings are actually written in the back cover of the cardboard sleeve of each CD. And the front covers are all the same, they reproduce the box cover.

It's a budget price collection.

I would have preferred a little more expensive edition with vinyl replica covers, a booklet with an introductory note and the track listings, and new transfers/masters, as Sony also does.

The 2010s masters are a bit loud and bright.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Charlie Chan   (Member)

Hello

How are the Dutton Vocalion Quadraphonic versions compared to the other issues?

Are they better than the dolby surround issues? I had the Casablanca film scores for Humphrey Bogart from that series and didnt like it at all. Nothing like as super sonic as the original RCA vinyl.

Would they play on a 5.1 decoder?

I wrote to Charles Gerhardt asking him about the possibility of a classic film scores for John Wayne album.

He sent me a very nice letter saying that he would love to do that album but had no time because of other projects.



Regards

CC

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 7:28 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Hello

How are the Dutton Vocalion Quadraphonic versions compared to the other issues?

Are they better than the dolby surround issues? I had the Casablanca film scores for Humphrey Bogart from that series and didnt like it at all. Nothing like as super sonic as the original RCA vinyl.

Would they play on a 5.1 decoder?

I wrote to Charles Gerhardt asking him about the possibility of a classic film scores for John Wayne album.

He sent me a very nice letter saying that he would love to do that album but had no time because of other projects.

Regards

CC


You may use the search button here for numerous other posts on the 5 Dutton Vocalion releases. Generally in my opinion the multi channel 5.1 experience is far better than the surround sound format they came out initially on cd. The new Sony reissues are all stereo though and sound terrific. The Dutton stereo only mixes are somewhat different than Sony.




 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2020 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

The new Sony reissues are all stereo though and sound terrific. The Dutton stereo only mixes are somewhat different than Sony.

The Sony reissues sound spectacular but unnatural.

I don't have the Dutton releases, but they may sound closer to the original recordings from what you say.

 
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