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 Posted:   May 31, 2020 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Hey LC--sonofagun, one of the old TZ Café bigwigs had sent me the whole set of TZ iso scores many moons ago. I lost one set but just came upon Hundred Yards. All the music's there. Every bit. This is great. Makes for a nice aural accompaniment to the OP.

 
 
 Posted:   May 31, 2020 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Does that CBS EZ Cue album have the CBS Radio Mystery Theatre cue I have long searched for???

 
 
 Posted:   May 31, 2020 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Hey LC--sonofagun, one of the old TZ Café bigwigs had sent me the whole set of TZ iso scores many moons ago. I lost one set but just came upon Hundred Yards. All the music's there. Every bit. This is great. Makes for a nice aural accompaniment to the OP.

Great, thanks for the heads up. Btw, the CBS EZ cues are complete, whereas the stems are what is heard (edited) for the episodes. This probably wouldn't apply to this episode since it's original music, but it would to episodes with tracked in cues from the CBS library.

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2020 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)

I recently watched the episode "Dust," and I was fairly blown away to discover that the actor who played the condemned Mexican was John A. Alonzo, who went from being an actor to an A-list cinematographer. His most acclaimed work as a DP was Chinatown (his only nomination, alas), but his many other credits included Vanishing Point, Harold and Maude, Pete 'n' Tillie, Sounder, Lady Sings the Blues, Farewell My Lovely, The Bad News Bears, Black Sunday, Norma Rae, Blue Thunder, Scarface, Steel Magnolias, and Star Trek: Generations.

I also recently watched a first season episode of Combat! ("The Prisoner"), directed by Robert Altman, and the guest cast included Alonzo, Keenan Wynn, and an uncredited Walter Koenig and Tom Skerritt. Early television is full of amazing surprises (and of course, The Twilight Zone is full of fantastic scoring, in every sense).

 
 
 Posted:   May 31, 2020 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I don't even have to look to know the great Vladimir Sokoloff played Mr. Alonzo's father in that one. And Thomas Gomez as the bum. Jerry G's score for that mini-western paved the way for Lonely Are The Brave not much later.

PS
Here ya go, Scott. A little celebration from almost a couple decades back--

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=7308&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2020 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)

Thank you for that link. (I've always felt A Patch of Blue was Jerry's version of To Kill a Mockingbird, but not in a bad way)

Twilight Zone is definitely up there with Batman: The Animated Series as among the best-scored TV series ever. And I absolutely love the music for Star Trek: The Original Series, but I can't be a hundred percent positive that isn't partly because I grew up with it. (and certainly Williams' main title themes for Irwin Allen series are absolutely spectacular).

I've been watching Columbo yet again on DVD and absolutely loving the show -- it may be a close all-time second-favorite, after Party Down -- and really enjoying the scores (I'd never really truly appreciated Dick De Benedictis until now), though the Bernardo Segall scores from the later seasons are a bit bland and disappointing compared to the Goldenberg/Melle/DeBenedictic music from the first seasons. Maybe it's because the Segall music lacks that droll, List of Adrian Messenger quality that I've always loved. (Musically they're fine, especially the Mexico-set episode "A Matter of Honor" with Ricardo Montalban and Pedro Almendariz Jr.)

 
 
 Posted:   May 31, 2020 - 4:33 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Does that CBS EZ Cue album have the CBS Radio Mystery Theatre cue I have long searched for???

 
 Posted:   May 31, 2020 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   funkymonkeyjavajunky   (Member)

I have the 4-disc TZ CD set, and this score is on disc 4.

I always considered disc 4 to be me least favorite disc in the set.

Having read what you wrote, I will revisit and share my thoughts.


Which 4-disc set do you refer to?

 
 
 Posted:   May 31, 2020 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Which 4-disc set do you refer to?

I wasn't the askee, but it's the out-of-print 1999 release: Twilight Zone - The 40th Anniversary Collection.

You can see the tracklist breakdown, and for other releases here:
https://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/2742/Twilight+Zone%2C+The

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2020 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Watched the episode again and my feelings haven't changed. But I was surprised how most of the music, including short flourishes, was recognizable from other episodes. The TWZ Cafe has a list of episodes that tracked it in, but the harmonica tune was only reused once. Seems like I've heard it elsewhere.
Not much drama, so I wonder if Steiner found it difficult or simple to score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2020 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I listened to "100 Yards." This is one you can definitely appreciate more if you know the context.

Does anyone know if the harmonica cues crossfaded with the modern cues in the original recordings (and in the episode) or was that an aesthetic decision made for the CD? Assuming the latter, it was a bad choice. I don't mind crossfades where they make sense, but in this case, it is jarring.

I would enjoy a suite with just the modern music, but I would need clean sources to edit one together.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2020 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

"Not much drama." In terms of quantity i.e. half hour show? Because the score from beginning to end was nonstop serious in capturing Horn's confusion. The man was perplexed beyond all scope. And once he sees the calendar--bam! So much going on as reflected in his battle hardened expression, so many questions. Can what he had already been through before heading over the rim and what he was going through after be any more dramatic?

I listened to "100 Yards." This is one you can definitely appreciate more if you know the context.

By all means.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2020 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

"Not much drama." In terms of quantity i.e. half hour show?

The running time is meaningless. There are plenty of 25 minutes programs (radio and TV) that pack plenty of drama, story, plot, characters. A simple comparison, on the same blu-ray disc was "Shadow play." Fantastic episode. But my original point was how Steiner approached the material. It was probably easy: the "past" theme, "dreamy" cues, and "action" cues.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2020 - 5:33 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Does anyone know if the harmonica cues crossfaded with the modern cues in the original recordings (and in the episode) or was that an aesthetic decision made for the CD? Assuming the latter, it was a bad choice. I don't mind crossfades where they make sense, but in this case, it is jarring.

Not sure if I follow you but when I listened to the iso score it was clear that the harmonica cue was relooped/repeated at the end and I found it annoying a la ad nauseam. That was not how it was heard in the picture. No way. But I don't recall that happening on the LP. Will investigate.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2020 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Does anyone know if the harmonica cues crossfaded with the modern cues in the original recordings (and in the episode) or was that an aesthetic decision made for the CD? Assuming the latter, it was a bad choice. I don't mind crossfades where they make sense, but in this case, it is jarring.

Not sure if I follow you but when I listened to the iso score it was clear that the harmonica cue was relooped/repeated at the end and I found it annoying a la ad nauseam. That was not how it was heard in the picture. No way. But I don't recall that happening on the LP. Will investigate.


On the CD box set, in a few places, the harmonica comes in as a final chord from one of the modern cues is still decaying.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2020 - 12:20 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I was surprised to hear how sections of the action/suspense music from 100 Miles Over The Rim recalled, to my mind, some of the chase/action/suspense music from Time Out, the John Landis directed episode of the Twilight Zone Movie, scored by Jerry Goldsmith in 1983. The drums, piano and percussion are VERY similar, in the latter half of the suite.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2020 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Amazing. Somewhere there is an old thread that I'm too lazy right now to dredge up about TZ: The Movie and mentioned that for me JG's score for that "Time Out" segment was closest to his TZ roots. The piano percussive effect was especially what I had in mind. Huh, pretty sure I linked that apparent influence on JN Howard's approach to The Sixth Sense as well (on another oldie out there).

PS

Ha, it was in the OP on the link in reply to Scott a few days ago.

 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2020 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I'm sure I listened to Steiner's score many times before I ever saw the episode, and it was easily in my favorites from the original TZ LPs along with Goldsmith's work. Steiner's always been a seriously underrated composer, and obviously Goldsmith respected him enough to bring him in on Star Trek TMP. Steiner's Trek music probably defined the style of music on the show more than any other composer--his work was always good, and he was also a tremendously nice guy. And that kite cue is wonderful!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2020 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

There is a moment in “Walking Distance” where the combined forces of acting, directing and scoring brilliance all come together. This is when Martin Sloan, at the soda fountain, muses about the memories you connect with a place. His expression in extreme close-up is unforgettable. Gig Young would conquer Oscar territory a decade later.

"I may be crazy or the world may be turned upside down, but I know I have been put here for a reason."

This is the moment in AHYOTR where, for me, Cliff Robertson’s consummate professionalism together with Fred Steiner’s scoring just plain nail it. It is when Horn abruptly re-enters the dining area and hands the book over to Mary Lou and she reads the passage. Horn, suffering from what the doctor surmises as malnutrition besides delusion, can’t even crack a smile over the first cause for hope in who knows how long. Instead he takes on a fevered expression of grim determination.

Mr. Robertson would conquer Oscar territory, too, in just a few years. As for Steiner: Robertson was not going to waver in playing a man living a life of quiet desperation and Steiner’s music rises in tension along with the camera capturing the character's demeanor and clipped speech in close-up. Then Horn rifle butts Joe and bolts the place and that’s when all scoring hell breaks loose. Marvelously!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2020 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Does anyone know if the harmonica cues crossfaded with the modern cues in the original recordings (and in the episode) or was that an aesthetic decision made for the CD? Assuming the latter, it was a bad choice. I don't mind crossfades where they make sense, but in this case, it is jarring.

Any jarring edits are as heard in the episode and make perfect sense in context. On the cd suite, the only non-episode fade (more like a very close edit) is at 10:05 when an action cue leads into a harmonica, but isn't jarring. The suite is missing some music, and the end harmonica cue actually belongs with the first one.

when I listened to the iso score it was clear that the harmonica cue was relooped/repeated at the end and I found it annoying a la ad nauseam. That was not how it was heard in the picture.

At 20 minutes in, Chris returns to the rim, followed by two separate scenes using harmonica. The dvd isolated music track matches the episode audio there. Perhaps you're thinking there's only one harmonica scene at the end. If you're really hearing extra music, then your source made a mistake editing the isolated music.

 
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