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Don't like it when we buy an OST to find out later that they were concert/album tracks inserted NOT the the actual
Original Sound TRACKS! D'oh! To do with Licensing anyone? Bring on EIGER 'cos I am eager for this!
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There were some "original soundtrack" albums that did not contain the actual "original soundtrack", and yes, some of them were quite good, and some quite bad.
I think it is very important to distinguish between them, just like I distinguish between any other recording. Especially if one expects the film tracks on an album, the distinction is quite important, because I suspect a considerable portion of people buying soundtrack albums expect the music on an album to be the one on the soundtrack album. I know when I started out collecting soundtracks on LP as a teenager, I was at times very disappointed if the music on album was not the music in the film, even though that was the reason I bought that %&$§! thing. Definitely turned me off to buying Henry Mancini albums at all back then. :-)
And in some cases, like CAPRICORN ONE for example, the original soundtrack album that came out is so different from the actual recording for the film, they are completely different listening experiences.
So I think it is just as important to distinguish between different film music recordings (be it original film tracks or re-recording or alternate takes) as it is in classical music, where the 1963 recording of Beethoven's 4th with Karajan/BPO is certainly not the same as the 1977 recording or the 1983 recording (I should know, I got them all. :-) ).
So I want to distinguish between them all just so it's clear what one is talking about.
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I thought I had heard that it was Eastwood who was the holdup on this (and Firefox) not Williams.
Never made it through the movie but wow what a great album.
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I saw the movie some time in 1986 or so, I don't remember exactly. I liked it, but the thing I remember the most was the music by John Williams. I got the Varèse Sarabande soundtrack album, and for all I can tell, it's a very good representation of the film's score. It is a very good listening on its own as an album, I don't know if the film tracks would add anything to my enjoyment of the score, as it is already very fine the way it is. I did not even know it was a re-recording.
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Jun 21, 2020 - 4:04 AM
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John Smith
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The abbreviation OST has always meant only one thing - the original soundtrack album.
No, Thor, it hasn’t always meant this one thing. To claim otherwise on a specialist soundtrack forum is begging for trouble.
To the casual listener, it’s possible you’re right. But is the casual listener really your ultimate authority on this issue?
I suspect that there are very few people here (or at Intrada, Varese, La-La Land, et al.) who would concur that the term “OST” is currently interchangeable with the term “original soundtrack album” and has always been so.
It’s like a contributor to a specialist medical forum saying that a cardiac arrest has always meant only one thing: a heart attack. The confounded reaction there would be no different from mine now.
On this forum most members know full well that “OST” or “Original Sound Track” has NOT always meant the original soundtrack album. Conduct a straw poll and see how many people here have bought additional releases of a film score because the OST has finally been released as opposed to a rerecording (incorrectly labelled "OST") which was the only thing available at the time. I have done so on many occasions – especially with John Williams.
Do you genuinely believe that the first LP release of Jaws can, in the light of subsequent releases, still be referred to as the OST? We know it was not – and so do you. Whether you care (or not) is also irrelevant. The fact remains that that the OST was released much later than that initial album. To deny this basic fact on this forum is to be disingenuous, contrary or obtuse. And I mean that in the nicest possible way...
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Jun 21, 2020 - 4:33 AM
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Thor
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I guess you're free to define it - or specify it - whichever way you want, John, but the most common meaning of the abbreviation 'OST' that I'm aware of is 'Original SoundTrack', as in the first, physical album released (well, obviously these days, an OST doesn't have to be physical, it can also be digital). I must admit that this notion of breaking it apart into some form of separation between film tracks and rerecorded tracks is completely new to me, and rather confusing if one is to have some form of common linguistic ground.
Do you genuinely believe that the first LP release of Jaws can, in the light of subsequent releases, still be referred to as the OST?
Absolutely, yes. 'OST' refers to the original LP release, and its subsequent CD reissue. All later releases are 'expansions', 'film tracks', call it what you will.
It's fairly obvious to me that you take 'original' to mean the 'film tracks'. I do not, nor have I ever encountered this interpretation of the word. I take original to mean the first album release. It doesn't matter if it contains rerecorded or film tracks or suites or whatever.
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Prior to the home-video era/mid-'80s, the LP soundtrack was deemed foremost as a promotional item for cinema.
Any musical integrity that an album program may have possessed was a bonus for listeners but nonetheless subordinate to marketing.
I consider the phrase 'original (motion picture) soundtrack' and all its permutations to function as an umbrella term to sell music from movies to the public at large [whom the industry thought wouldn't realize any differences between film studio recording sessions and recording studio sessions].
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I think it's only absolut ultra-nerds who would argue about what "OST" must stand for. So let me join in.
I think "OST" obviously is -- like most words -- contextual. It can refer to the original soundtrack album, even if the original soundtrack is not on the album, and it can refer to the original soundtrack recording as opposed to a rerecording. I've seen both uses of the word. But if one is specific when discussing these things, I don't think it should ever be a problem. I've read dozens of discussions about JAWS, and have not so far encountered prolonged misunderstanding whether one refers to the original MCA album, the Decca album, the Varèse recording, or the Intrada album.
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If somebody is happy with the current album release of this score then good for them, carry on enjoying, but why would they be happy for an expanded album, that would give many fans pleasure, not to be released? I just don't understand the vindictive mind set.
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Jun 21, 2020 - 8:40 AM
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OnyaBirri
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If somebody is happy with the current album release of this score then good for them, carry on enjoying, but why would they be happy for an expanded album, that would give many fans pleasure, not to be released? I just don't understand the vindictive mind set.
Oh, I am very happy with expanded releases, but to me, they are not the OST. The OST will always be the original album, good or bad, that was released concurrently with the film.
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