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 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

and also jettisoned the mood-busting patriotic tracks.

I understand the words, but what do they mean?


The two patriotic sounding tracks. I can't remember the titles. They totally clash with the album and have no business being there.


You're most likely talking about "Arlington" and "Lincoln Memorial". Still, I don't understand the quote. Please elaborate.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

and also jettisoned the mood-busting patriotic tracks.

I understand the words, but what do they mean?


The two patriotic sounding tracks. I can't remember the titles. They totally clash with the album and have no business being there.


You're most likely talking about "Arlington" and "Lincoln Memorial". Still, I don't understand the quote. Please elaborate.


What part don't you understand?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Think of it this way, A&C. When you are listening to a GODZILLA soundtrack, would you want to be interrupted in the middle of the album with a church hymn? smile

I expect OnyaB doesn't like music performed reverentially ... especially when an other-worldly theremin is a chief character in the overall aural fabric of this score.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 7:53 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Think of it this way, A&C. When you are listening to a GODZILLA soundtrack, would you want to be interrupted in the middle of the album with a church hymn? smile

I expect OnyaB doesn't like music performed reverentially ... especially when an other-worldly theremin is a chief character in the overall aural fabric of this score.


Correct, they are mood-busting tracks that I'm sure were useful within the context of the film, but they are not part of the album, IMO.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 5:23 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

They have every business being there given they are part of Herrmann's score. If you don't like them, that's fine....but it's unfathomable to say that they don't 'belong' there.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

They have every business being there given they are part of Herrmann's score. If you don't like them, that's fine....but it's unfathomable to say that they don't 'belong' there.

They don't stylistically fit with the rest of the score.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I like both cues, the break up the gloom nicely. They are pretty much the same cue, just one is sad at the cemetery and the other bolder for Lincoln. The only real disappointment is on one of the Herrmann anthologies, they recorded two cues from the score…and it was these two. Not only are they the same piece of music they don’t represent the score at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)

They have every business being there given they are part of Herrmann's score. If you don't like them, that's fine....but it's unfathomable to say that they don't 'belong' there.

They don't stylistically fit with the rest of the score.


I've got to say I side with Onyabirri on this one. Sometimes certain tracks inclusion in the middle of other tracks completely ruin the mood flow. Personally I would prefer the chronological order of the album to be upset and these said tracks to be at the end of the score.

Not really mentioned here is the fabulous Tribute Film Classics re-recording of The Battle of Neretva. It may not be a favourite Herrmann score of mine but it is still a must have CD as it has twice the score that's on the Southern Cross CD and also contains Herrmann's Naked and the Dead.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)



Not really mentioned here is the fabulous Tribute Film Classics re-recording of The Battle of Neretva. It may not be a favourite Herrmann score of mine but it is still a must have CD as it has twice the score that's on the Southern Cross CD and also contains Herrmann's Naked and the Dead.


That one is at the top of my list. It's amazing and one of those recordings I prefer over the original score recording. It's that good.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I've got to say I side with Onyabirri on this one. Sometimes certain tracks inclusion in the middle of other tracks completely ruin the mood flow. Personally I would prefer the chronological order of the album to be upset and these said tracks to be at the end of the score.

A parallel would be the bank robbery music from "The Thomas Crown Affair." I love that piece of music on its own terms, but Legrand wisely omitted it from the album. Stylistically, it just does not fit with the mood of the score as an isolated listening experience.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I like both cues, the break up the gloom nicely.

On its own terms, I don't find the score to be gloomy at all. For me, it plays like an aural travelogue of outer space.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

The Bruce Broughton and London Sinfonia recording of JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS, released by Intrada, is an absolute stunner. It's so close to perfection and matching the movie, it'd be as if the exact same movie was made today, scored by Herrmann and recorded in modern high fidelity.

The overall ablum is superb, but nobody has rerecorded the Prelude correctly, to my taste. The opening is always too soft. It needs to kick off with that giant gong crash with the loud symbols.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

and also jettisoned the mood-busting patriotic tracks.

I understand the words, but what do they mean?


The two patriotic sounding tracks. I can't remember the titles. They totally clash with the album and have no business being there.


You're most likely talking about "Arlington" and "Lincoln Memorial". Still, I don't understand the quote. Please elaborate.


What part don't you understand?


Well, mainly the words "mood-busting patriotic". As I said, I understand the words, but what exactly do you mean?

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)


Well, mainly the words "mood-busting patriotic". As I said, I understand the words, but what exactly do you mean?


I'm gonna say he means it takes the score out of it's other-worldliness for two cues by being patriotic and reverential, shattering the mood of a strange and unique score with average sounding music that could go in any film.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

And that illustrates the danger, at times, of taking the film out of film music. And vice versa, I suppose.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2020 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Well, mainly the words "mood-busting patriotic". As I said, I understand the words, but what exactly do you mean?


I'm gonna say he means it takes the score out of it's other-worldliness for two cues by being patriotic and reverential, shattering the mood of a strange and unique score with average sounding music that could go in any film.


Yep, more or less.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2020 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

And that illustrates the danger, at times, of taking the film out of film music. And vice versa, I suppose.

Howard, what do you see as the "danger" in this?

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2020 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)


Well, mainly the words "mood-busting patriotic". As I said, I understand the words, but what exactly do you mean?


I'm gonna say he means it takes the score out of it's other-worldliness for two cues by being patriotic and reverential, shattering the mood of a strange and unique score with average sounding music that could go in any film.


"patriotic". I don't get it. "shattering the mood"?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2020 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Well, mainly the words "mood-busting patriotic". As I said, I understand the words, but what exactly do you mean?


I'm gonna say he means it takes the score out of it's other-worldliness for two cues by being patriotic and reverential, shattering the mood of a strange and unique score with average sounding music that could go in any film.


"patriotic". I don't get it. "shattering the mood"?


A&C, I've made it about as simple as I can. If you are familiar with this score, and can't see how the two tracks in question differ from the rest of the album, I can't really help you. Not trying to be difficult.

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2020 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)


Well, mainly the words "mood-busting patriotic". As I said, I understand the words, but what exactly do you mean?


I'm gonna say he means it takes the score out of it's other-worldliness for two cues by being patriotic and reverential, shattering the mood of a strange and unique score with average sounding music that could go in any film.


"patriotic". I don't get it. "shattering the mood"?


A&C, I've made it about as simple as I can. If you are familiar with this score, and can't see how the two tracks in question differ from the rest of the album, I can't really help you. Not trying to be difficult.


I'm quite familiar, thank you. For one thing, Herrmann did not really stray from the overall orchestration of the score and he did not go all John Philip Sousa march either. What he did was write two very understated, pensive cues. I fail to see where the "patriotic" comes into play.

 
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