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Sep 6, 2020 - 8:50 AM
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Tom Servo
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Intrada released Transformers The Movie on CD. Rights owner SONY Music.
Wouldn´t it possible for Intrada released also Transformers & G.I. Joe TV series music on CD?
Don´t know if music rights belongs to SONY or solely to HASBRO.
Hasbro.
MV of LLL made things pretty clear in 2018, after Enjoy The Ride Records released Transformers on vinyl:
"We are currently not working on a transformers release nor do I forsee one in the future. No one at the studios or labels care about cds any more. To them its dead. The only physical product they want to focus on is vinyl. We had to make a deal recently where we had to agree to do a vinyl pressing in order to get the rights for a CD release. They say it's hard out there being a pimp, but I think it's even harder being a soundtrack producer who only wants to focus on CD releases."
Thank you for clarifying this situation
LLL´s DC animation scores are my treasure CD releases and I still can´t understand this current vinyl dominancy.
If only there was not need to do so much exercise to manage LPs collection and gramophone.
Because with small & easy portable CD and with device which use laser for reading music without harm to medium it is too much simple.
It is easier to get things complicated than simplified.
Off topic:
I was thinking about buying gramophone only for Transformes LP release, but I found thread where is mentioned that it is not complete release and also there are some shortening of tracks.
Hope this would not be G.I. Joe case.
This would be nice kickstarter/indigogo project for Transformers & G.I. Joe TV animation scores CD release.
Any labels interested?
Transformers wasn't complete, because a lot of music was originally from G.I. Joe. Besides, Transformers has a lot of score tracks, which would never fit on one cd or record.
Tracks aren't shortened as far as I know. In the show a lot of music was pasted and cut, so perhaps that's where the confusion comes from.
Yes, in recently revisiting the initial two GI Joe mini-series and some early S1 episodes, it seems that there was less original music here than for the Transformers 3-part mini-series and S1 episodes. In any given episode of the GI Joe mini-series you would inevitably here all the same cues. But in Transformers, for instance, you might hear one once but not again until several episodes into the main season. But as was pointed out above, some of the music cues heard in Transformers was intended for another show, such as Dungeons & Dragons.
While it would be nice to have complete releases of every note, I've waited long enough for these albums to be thrilled nevertheless. Having that official album from ETR of G1 Transformers music in stereo is a treasure for me and I'm sure this one for GI Joe will be the same. Now, the question is, where should I order from?
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While it would be nice to have complete releases of every note, I've waited long enough for these albums to be thrilled nevertheless. Having that official album from ETR of G1 Transformers music in stereo is a treasure for me and I'm sure this one for GI Joe will be the same. Now, the question is, where should I order from?
www.hhv.de , that's where I ordered it from, very thrustworthy dealer here in Europe. In the U.S.A.? I'm not sure where to order.
It's a treasure for me as well. This is the record I wanted as a kid, it took 30+ years, but here it is. A cd would be nice, but I'm one of those people who never stopped playing records, so great stuff!
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Sep 7, 2020 - 2:35 PM
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Tom Servo
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While it would be nice to have complete releases of every note, I've waited long enough for these albums to be thrilled nevertheless. Having that official album from ETR of G1 Transformers music in stereo is a treasure for me and I'm sure this one for GI Joe will be the same. Now, the question is, where should I order from?
www.hhv.de , that's where I ordered it from, very thrustworthy dealer here in Europe. In the U.S.A.? I'm not sure where to order.
It's a treasure for me as well. This is the record I wanted as a kid, it took 30+ years, but here it is. A cd would be nice, but I'm one of those people who never stopped playing records, so great stuff!
Thanks for the website suggestion! I might see what US online retailers will be offering this LP, although there is that link for the site posted earlier in this thread that I could try.
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The Real American Hero era of G.I. Joe toys and cartoons from 1982-1994 were 3.75", not 6". 6" Joes just made their debut a couple of months ago.
The new Destro figure is such a hoot!
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In the 80s GI Joe was an organization, not a person. And they were 6”. Although they did release a few 12” versions of these action figures in the 90s but the weren’t the same as the original 12” G.I. Joe action figures.
The Real American Hero era of G.I. Joe toys and cartoons from 1982-1994 were 3.75", not 6". 6" Joes just made their debut a couple of months ago.
Really excited that music from the G.I. Joe cartoons are a possibility now! But this really NEEDS to be released digitally and/or on CD at some point, too!
Interestingly, this like it was being a soundtrack fan decades ago, pre-CD age, when we just hoped to get any album of music from our favorite movies and TV shows, even if it was just 30-45 minutes.
I would love to have every second of this score, but this sums up what I like about a record. I found the Transformers Movie soundtrack in 1993 on LP, would I have loved a complete score? Yes! But I was so happy having the 10 minutes of score then, I played it a lot more than all those complete and extended versions that came later. Less is more sometimes.
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Sep 30, 2020 - 7:32 PM
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Tom Servo
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This is great news. This LP is popping up for pre-order now. Hopefully future volumes of Joe and Transformers music will be forthcoming. I have the first Transformers one and love it. And fingers crossed that other Hasbro owned properties like Jem and M.A.S.K. will also get music releases. Jem is a no-brainer; its a show about a pop band; there are usually at least 3 original songs in every episode, plus a cool 80s synthy score.
I agree! Although weirdly, the page for the LP at Red Yeti, which is where I pre-ordered from, is now gone, so I'm not sure what that's about. And I reached out to my local professional LP transfer person to make sure he's still available for this kind of work, which he is. What's interesting to read on some sites is that some think this is a 2 LP set, when it's pretty obvious it's one LP. The price and 40 minute run time are clear indications it's one LP, I just think some are confused by the multitude of tracks, but it's just cause they're short cues.
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Nov 20, 2020 - 10:44 PM
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MCRE1201
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Nobody on this site knows me from Adam -- I think I've posted two or three times in something like twelve years -- but I'm a longtime, daily lurker and I have to break my silence today to (mostly) gush about this album. Everyone has their "Holy Grail" score release. For some it's a Golden Age film title, for others a vintage TV show, etc., etc. For me, for a great many years, it has been Johnny Douglas's library cues from the first two animated G.I. JOE mini-series from 1983 and 1984.
First, let me note that in addition to the LP, which I pre-ordered from Amazon (and was informed this evening is delayed to December), Hasbro made a surprise digital release of the album today as well. It's on iTunes and Amazon for sale, and available to listen on several streaming services as well (Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Music, etc.). So while I don't have my physical record yet, I've listened to the thing four or five times through today.
The first half-plus of the album (plus the final few cues) is solid gold, as far as I'm concerned. This is the Douglas music I've been waiting for. The music I used to hum while playing with my JOE figures as a kid. Some of it is lush and orchestral, while some of it has this slightly funky 70s-style groove. And it's wonderfully thematic, with uses of Hasbro's G.I. JOE theme, Douglas's Cobra theme, and, for the 1984 tracks, Hasbro's Zartan theme throughout. I love all these cues to pieces.
That said, there are some glaring omissions here. Douglas composed a decent amount of music for the 1983 mini-series, with some supplemental cues (mostly based on the afore-mentioned Zartan theme) for '84's "Revenge of Cobra" mini. A lot of it is here, but there are some ubiquitous action cues that are inexplicably absent. I mean, we're missing what is basically the "main" battle music from those minis; a fast-paced and somewhat jazzy cue, based on the JOE theme, which featured in most of the earliest episodes more than once per show. (Listen to it here with sound effects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEvasrmlGE4&feature=youtu.be) No idea why this was left off the album; its inclusion should have been a no-brainer. And besides that one, there are a few other frequently-heard action cues missing as well.
The album also features a smattering of cues composed by Rob Walsh for the series' first full season in 1985; these comprise the majority of what will be the LP's second side. Personally, while I do like these cues, I would have been much happier to have them left off the album in favor of the missing Douglas material. The Walsh stuff is fine, but it's extremely "generic" sounding -- which makes sense, as it was a library composed for both the JOE and TRANSFORMERS series to use interchangeably. So it lacks the thematic elements from Douglas's work, but more than that -- for me, it lacks the warmth and personality of Douglas's music. Walsh's stuff, to me, is the epitome of "background music" -- it's fine, and it's even hummable, but it's also relatively bland and inoffensive -- while Douglas's stuff can stand and be enjoyed as its own thing.
So I like the album -- a lot. But that won't stop me from lamenting the missing Douglas cues and, more often that not, skipping past the Walsh cues whenever I listen. Were it up to me, we would've had an album composed entirely of Douglas's 1983/84 cues, followed by a second volume (or a volume co-branded with both the JOE and TRANSFORMERS names) featuring the '85 Walsh material. I tend to believe that G.I. JOE is such a niche thing these days, and that the cartoon is a niche within the niche (most JOE fans seem to favor the comic books), and that soundtrack releases to eighties cartoon series are a niche of their own within the niche film score hobby, that this may have been our only shot to see this stuff released. And if that means we will forever be missing some essential Douglas cues, then I'll always be a little dismayed.
That said, I quite honestly never, ever thought I'd see any of this stuff released. Even after the TRANSFORMERS LP came out a couple years ago, I still felt that JOE wouldn't get an album, for the niche reason described above. So the fact that I now have as much of Johnny Douglas's score as I do, and in pristine digital format, no less (something the TRANSFORMERS album didn't get) is astounding to me. I'm grateful to Hasbro for getting this stuff out there, and I hope there's more to come for both JOE and TRANSFORMERS -- and most especially for Johnny Douglas's contributions.
(For the record, among all the brilliant Douglas pieces -- and there are a lot of them on the album -- this release does include my all-time favorite JOE cue: track 9, "On The Run" -- followed closely by track 3, "Sky Strike!". Give them a listen on one of the streaming services. If they tickle your fancy, then you'll probably like all the Douglas material on the album!)
Sorry for the wall of text from some random guy, but I just really had to share my thoughts and enthusiasm for this album! I've made my sixth listen-through (to the Douglas stuff, anyway) while typing this post.
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Nov 20, 2020 - 11:22 PM
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Tom Servo
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Thanks much for your thoughtful and lengthy reply, what a great post! I am in the same mindset as you about Douglas's music, although I was always more of a TRANSFORMERS fan than GI JOE. I still love Douglas's cues for both series and am still amazed that not only did we get an LP including his TRANSFORMERS cues but now one for JOE! What a treat!
And holy moly, I never would have guessed that this GI JOE album would be available on iTunes - I will check it out! My LP copy won't arrive for a few more days. And I am equally shocked that that one oft-used cue you linked to is missing from this album. So, I know that Rob Walsh, before he passed away, was involved in producing the TRANSFORMERS LP for ETR Records - do we know if he was involved in this album as well, before he died, or did someone else choose these cues?
[edit] In the same fashion as when I first listened to the TRANSFORMERS LP released a few years ago, I cannot believe I am finally able to listen to these super fun Johnny Douglas cues, in clean sound, not ripped from DVD. I mean... just grinning from ear to ear... that funky bass line in the cue "On The Run".
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Nov 21, 2020 - 8:05 AM
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MCRE1201
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Thank you for the kind words! The LP sleeve should say for certain, but it looks like Rob Walsh did produce this album for Hasbro before he passed away. When listening on Amazon Music, every track says “Produced by Rob Walsh” if you check the credits. Though they also say “Performed by Johnny Douglas and Ann Bryant” and “Written by Ford Kinder and Spencer Michlin”, none of which is entirely correct in most cases (Kinder, Michlin, and Bryant were advertising jingles writers who created the toy commercial music that Douglas adapted into his score). The TRANSFORMERS album had several mis-attributed cues too, so I suspect Walsh’s records from the 80s just weren’t perfect.
Example: a few of the season 3 tracks on the TRANSFORMERS album — the stuff that tried to mimic Vince DiCola’s movie score — are listed as being composed by Douglas, but he had stopped working with Marvel animation for a couple years by that point. In fact I’m fairly sure he only composed the music for TRANSFORMERS’ 3-part pilot, and Walsh provided all the other music for season 1. Heck, Walsh himself was adamant for years before his death that he had composed ALL the music for the TRANSFORMERS series proper, and that Douglas only did the pilot, so it’s a little weird that he attributed some non-pilot cues to Douglas, unless that was ETR’s mistake.
Speaking of which, though I said above that I find Walsh’s music on the JOE album to be somewhat bland, I actually love the stuff he did on TRANSFORMERS, because he built on the style Douglas had established for the pilot. He definitely ran in his own direction with it, but he used Douglas’s Autobot and Decepticon motifs, and it’s clear the music was meant to complement Douglas’s material.
I was mainly a TRANSFORMERS kid too, by the way — I just find that I’ve always liked the G.I. JOE score more than the TF score, at least in terms of the Douglas material. But really, it’s all good. If Johnny Douglas wrote a cartoon score in the early 80s, it’s pretty much guaranteed that I love it. I just happen to consider his JOE work the cream of that particular crop.
I know it sounds a bit like hyperbole, but this is sort of a life-changing moment for me. I really never saw it happening, and I’m just so thrilled to finally have this stuff, which I’ve fantasized about owning for years (even if I think some of the missing cues were essential), that I barely slept last night because I wanted to listen to the album again!
Incidentally, apparently the recently released G.I. JOE: OPERATION BLACKOUT video game has a deluxe edition with a soundtrack that includes nine bonus tracks from the 80s cartoon. I saw the track listing, and while most of the vintage cues are on this album, three appear to be different. I’d love to know what they are, but I’m not a big gamer and there’s no way I’m spending $50 just for three tracks I haven’t even heard! (Though I am absolutely crazy enough that I might drop the cash if I found out those two cues were both among the omitted Douglas material!)
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