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 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

No CD sadly. Even Picard never got a CD.

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2021 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)

A CD release would be nice, but the music is what it's all about.

I look forward to hearing it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2021 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   DavidMueller   (Member)

Lakeshore Records released the "Andorian Opera" (Track 31 of the S3 Album)

Sounds nice. Better than the Kasseelian Opera in S1. looking foward to the full Album.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2021 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Unlike the Berman era shows, none of this music sticks with me or resonates.

Who knew this would be a sentence in 2021 :-)

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2021 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The work of McCarthy, Chattaway, Bell, etc is light years better then whats been done on Discovery and Picard. I just dont feel the same about it. Unlike the Berman era shows, none of this music sticks with me or resonates.

Agreed but try Chris Westlake's work on Lower Decks...it IMO is lightyears better than most of what McCarthy/Chattaway/etc. were allowed to do by Berman. It is practically Ron Jones level.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2021 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   HalloweenBorg   (Member)

The work of McCarthy, Chattaway, Bell, etc is light years better then whats been done on Discovery and Picard. I just dont feel the same about it. Unlike the Berman era shows, none of this music sticks with me or resonates.

Agreed but try Chris Westlake's work on Lower Decks...it IMO is lightyears better than most of what McCarthy/Chattaway/etc. were allowed to do by Berman. It is practically Ron Jones level.

Yavar



You and Ron Jones. For real. When will it end. The guy deserved the pink slip. He’s a pain in the butt and not easy to work with but oh hey, he gave us Heart of Glory, a crappy score for a crappy character episode (Worf) in a crappy season (one) of The Next Generation.

McCarthy was the bomb.

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2021 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

You and Ron Jones. For real. When will it end. The guy deserved the pink slip. He’s a pain in the butt and not easy to work with but oh hey, he gave us Heart of Glory, a crappy score for a crappy character episode (Worf) in a crappy season (one) of The Next Generation.

McCarthy was the bomb.


I think McCarthy scored bad episodes too.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2021 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   HalloweenBorg   (Member)

You and Ron Jones. For real. When will it end. The guy deserved the pink slip. He’s a pain in the butt and not easy to work with but oh hey, he gave us Heart of Glory, a crappy score for a crappy character episode (Worf) in a crappy season (one) of The Next Generation.

McCarthy was the bomb.


I think McCarthy scored bad episodes too.



No doubt but he was good when he did it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2021 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)



You and Ron Jones. For real. When will it end. The guy deserved the pink slip. He’s a pain in the butt and not easy to work with but oh hey, he gave us Heart of Glory, a crappy score for a crappy character episode (Worf) in a crappy season (one) of The Next Generation.

McCarthy was the bomb.


I liked Heart of Glory, both score and episode. You want a truly wretched Jones episode in S1, try watching When the Bough Breaks.

(Although he did the best he could with the score.)

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2021 - 3:59 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

No doubt but he was good when he did it.

Have you watched 'Shades of Gray'? He's the only person who worked on that episode that's putting any kind of effort in selling the premise.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2021 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   HalloweenBorg   (Member)

No doubt but he was good when he did it.

Have you watched 'Shades of Gray'? He's the only person who worked on that episode that's putting any kind of effort in selling the premise.


Yeah that’s a score I listen to all of the time. I mean, are you kidding me?

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2021 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)

The work of McCarthy, Chattaway, Bell, etc is light years better then whats been done on Discovery and Picard. I just dont feel the same about it. Unlike the Berman era shows, none of this music sticks with me or resonates.

Agreed but try Chris Westlake's work on Lower Decks...it IMO is lightyears better than most of what McCarthy/Chattaway/etc. were allowed to do by Berman. It is practically Ron Jones level.

Yavar


Has there been a release for Lower Decks?

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2021 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   DavidMueller   (Member)

Has there been a release for Lower Decks?

Not yet frown

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2021 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

You and Ron Jones. For real. When will it end.

ME and Ron Jones? You do realize that I'm far from alone in preferring his more interesting, less generic and "background" Berman style for the TV franchise, right? I mean, he's literally had *every note* of his music for The Next Generation released, thanks to Lukas Kendall (you know, the guy who founded FSM the magazine, FSM the record label, and this FSM message board?) There's a reason why that is, and why there will never be a complete set of Dennis McCarthy or Jay Chattaway's music for the series. "When will it end"? Lol.

The guy deserved the pink slip. He’s a pain in the butt and not easy to work with but oh hey, he gave us Heart of Glory, a crappy score for a crappy character episode (Worf) in a crappy season (one) of The Next Generation.

"Heart of Glory" isn't a great episode or anything but it was important to the development of modern Klingons for sure. Not sure why you apparently hate the score, though it wouldn't make my Ron Jones top 10 out of the 42 he wrote for the series. It certainly is interesting that you ignore the multiple good episodes he brilliantly scored in favor of a random season one entry you apparently have a bizarre vendetta of some kind against.

I mean, even in season one can you deny the brilliance of "11001001"? His absolutely gorgeous cue for the arrival at Spacedock in particular? And that was one of the best season one episodes.

McCarthy was the bomb.

McCarthy did some fine work but toned down his style after season one like the producers wanted. Just like Jay Chattaway who started off with the wonderful "Tin Man" score and then was soon made to blandify his style. Only Ron Jones was "pain in the butt" enough to buck those instructions, for which yes he did eventually lose the gig. That just makes him a modern Bernard Herrmann...and I wish we had more of those!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2021 - 1:54 AM   
 By:   MaLo1989   (Member)

I completely agree. Ron Jones' music for TNG was top notch.

But as a whole the 'canon' of ST music is a mess; something to which Ron Jones is also at fault to some extend.
Unlike Star Wars there is no leidmotivic coherence to be found.
For me The Motion Picture set the bar of what Star Trek music is supposed to sound like. It's leidmotivs are very clear but the 'bad guy' music for V'Ger remains ambigues so as to not dictate to the audience what to feel.
Jerry Goldsmith introduced - out the top of my head - 6 themes (the March, the Klingon theme, the Federation theme, the Vulcan Theme, the V'Ger Theme and Ilia's Theme). Besides the March - and a loose adaptation of the Klingon theme to some extend - none of the other themes appeared in any of Jones' subsequent episodes. (Citing the V'Ger, Ilia and Vulcan material would be innappropriate of course but a the use of the Federation Theme would have been a cool one.)

Although I quitte like Jones' music as standalone listening experiences I never really understood why he had to write a new theme for Data every time instead of just sticking to one.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2021 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   DavidMueller   (Member)

I like how this Discovery thread isn't about Discovery lol. listening to it right now and its great. with that being said.

Back to non Disco topic:

Voyager was my first Berman era show. And the music was (or is) great. Especially those episodes scored by David Bell. Years later I watched the first season of TNG and the music by Ron Jones was too present and synthie imo. I think that the style of McCarthy, Chattaway etc fit the style of trek in generell better than Jones. But for the music on its own i really enjoy Ron's music. Like the previous mentioned opening of 10111001010101010 (or something like that), the rythm and melody of "Heart Of Glory", but also the synth heavy Countdown cue from "We always have paris". and of course the Borg episodes.

Now the Leitmotiv thing. I remember that Berman don't wanted them. Picard had a theme for like 10 episodes of the first Season and it never reapeared from their onwards. But the composers gave some species a specific style of instrumantation (like the heavy chords for the Borg or some kind of flute for vulcan). There is some kind of musical continuity but also don't.. so yes.. its a mess... and to get completely of topic: No franchise has less musical continuity than the 8 Potter films.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2021 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)

I just gave Discover Season 3 a first listen and there is some good stuff here. I am glad that I bought it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2021 - 4:20 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Inconsistencies of styles and themes across the Trek franchise is nothing new of course. Simply consider the dramatic differences in the original series between Alexander Courage, Fred Steiner, Gerald Fried, Jerry Fielding, Sol Kaplan and others.

But I like that diversity in Trek music.

 
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