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 Posted:   Nov 27, 2020 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Great release. However I do have a question for M.V. Have you ever considered Jay Ferguson`s score to the first sequel? Because that score to me is really good (almost as good as the scores to the first one). Of all those scores by Jay Ferguson that I have heard his Tremors 2 is by far his best.

Jay's score for Tremors II: Aftershocks was quite fun, but I surely wouldn't call it his best. His 80s stuff is much better, IMO. But sure, bring on his Aftershocks score to CD.

He also scored the fourth Tremors film in 2004.

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2020 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

OK, so that means Disc 1 is Troost's original score "as intended"?

Presumably. Also worth noting that it's 25 minutes longer than the promo.

If I were to want to build a movie-accurate playlist, I would have to--for example--use Folk's cue "Fred Dies" on Disc 2 in place of Troost's "Fred Dies" on Disc 1, yes? Mind you, I probably won't, but I'm just curious.

Yes. Most of what Folk re-did were suspense and action cues.

BTW, not sure what the filmmakers were thinking...Troost's music was a perfect fit for the movie!

It's a great listen in isolation, but there's no denying there's a lot more meat on Folk's action writing than Troost's, which sounds a bit chintzy in comparison.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2020 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I'm interested in this release too!

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2020 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

Presumably. Also worth noting that it's 25 minutes longer than the promo.

Yes. Most of what Folk re-did were suspense and action cues.

It's a great listen in isolation, but there's no denying there's a lot more meat on Folk's action writing than Troost's, which sounds a bit chintzy in comparison.


Thanks for additional info! Much appreciated.

I don't know if I would use the word "chintzy" to describe Troost's portions. I definitely think he was aiming for folksy (no pun intended) or perhaps country western/blues music, which IMO was a fantastic fit for the "character" of Perfection.

Now, since I've only ever heard the music as presented in the film, my opinion might change once I hear Troost's originals rather than what I now know is Folk's music.

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2020 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

I don't know if I would use the word "chintzy" to describe Troost's portions. I definitely think he was aiming for folksy (no pun intended) or perhaps country western/blues music, which IMO was a fantastic fit for the "character" of Perfection.

I was referring specifically to his action music. His folksy blues stuff is perfect and equally as memorable as Folk's contributions. His action stuff isn't necessesarily bad either, it just doesn't have the oomph. He does use this synth trumpet-like motif which sounds quite cheap and I can't imagine that helped.

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2020 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

I was referring specifically to his action music. His folksy blues stuff is perfect and equally as memorable as Folk's contributions. His action stuff isn't necessesarily bad either, it just doesn't have the oomph. He does use this synth trumpet-like motif which sounds quite cheap and I can't imagine that helped.

Ah, I see. I thought you were referring to the overall score.

I can see where you're coming from with the synth. Personally, it doesn't bother me. I'm eager to do an A/B of the Troost and Folk cues to hear the difference in the oomph. With how slow the USPS has been moving for the past month, I won't be surprised if I get this album around the same time as the new Arrow Video UHD remaster.

A bright spot to 2020!!

Wait a second...on second thought, Tremors might end up being a documentary about the last crazy thing 2020 throws at us. We already had murder hornets, so why not Graboids too! razz

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2020 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

Great release. However I do have a question for M.V. Have you ever considered Jay Ferguson`s score to the first sequel? Because that score to me is really good (almost as good as the scores to the first one). Of all those scores by Jay Ferguson that I have heard his Tremors 2 is by far his best.

Jay's score for Tremors II: Aftershocks was quite fun, but I surely wouldn't call it his best. His 80s stuff is much better, IMO. But sure, bring on his Aftershocks score to CD.

He also scored the fourth Tremors film in 2004.



I imagine that you have heard a lot more of his stuff than I have so with that said I guess he have done some scores that are better but of the scores I have heard by him this is his best.

Yes I know that he also scored the fourth Tremors but that score is not as good as the Aftershocks score IMO.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2020 - 4:18 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Which scores have you heard by him?

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2020 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

I can see where you're coming from with the synth. Personally, it doesn't bother me.

Like I say, I love the promo album and I think Troost's music hangs together a whole, but I can understand why they felt the need to replace the action cues.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2020 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

Which scores have you heard by him?

Best Seller - Good score.
Johnny Be Good
Bad Dreams
License To Drive
Gleaming The Cube
A Nightmare On Elm Street 5 - His worst score, hate it.
Parker Kane
Double Dragon - Mediocre score, where the Main Title is the highlight
Tremors 2 - Great score, love it.
Sweetwater
The Magicians
Tremors 4 - A huge disappointment.
and of course each and every episode of Tales From The Crypt - some better than others but in general I have to say that most of his scores are actually quite good.

So that makes it 12 movies plus Tales From The Crypt.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2020 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Which scores have you heard by him?

Best Seller - Good score.
Johnny Be Good
Bad Dreams
License To Drive
Gleaming The Cube
A Nightmare On Elm Street 5 - His worst score, hate it.
Parker Kane
Double Dragon - Mediocre score, where the Main Title is the highlight
Tremors 2 - Great score, love it.
Sweetwater
The Magicians
Tremors 4 - A huge disappointment.
and of course each and every episode of Tales From The Crypt - some better than others but in general I have to say that most of his scores are actually quite good.

So that makes it 12 movies plus Tales From The Crypt.


His score for Pulse is pretty decent, with an especially evocative end title cue.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2020 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Which scores have you heard by him?

Best Seller - Good score.
Johnny Be Good
Bad Dreams
License To Drive
Gleaming The Cube
A Nightmare On Elm Street 5 - His worst score, hate it.
Parker Kane
Double Dragon - Mediocre score, where the Main Title is the highlight
Tremors 2 - Great score, love it.
Sweetwater
The Magicians
Tremors 4 - A huge disappointment.
and of course each and every episode of Tales From The Crypt - some better than others but in general I have to say that most of his scores are actually quite good.

So that makes it 12 movies plus Tales From The Crypt.


Personally, I have seen 11 films scored by Ferguson:

The Patriot (Great theme)
Quiet Cool (Very good score on an ultra-rare LP)
Best Seller (Great theme)
Pulse (Great theme as SBD said))
Johnny Be Goode (Good score, more rockbased)
License To Drive (Not much score in the film)
Gleaming The Cube (Very good score, 45 minutes in the film)
Elm Street 5 (Bad score, agreed)
Race For Glory (Forgettable score)
Double Dragon (Good score)
Tremors 2 (Not too good score)

I have also seen some Tales From The Crypt episodes (quite good?) and a NCIS LA episode (generic).

I also have his music from Paradise Texas (bad), Freedom (good) and Bad Dreams (bad).

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 3:05 AM   
 By:   chadergeist   (Member)

Why the hell didn't they put the bonus tracks on Disc 2 and give Disc 2 more of a time frame than about 20 minutes? SMH!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 3:18 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

While there is a big disparity, disc-time-wise, I can see why LLL kept the Troost tracks separate from the Folk rescored scenes.
Different composers...different styles.
Makes better sense to me.
It also might have been contractual?

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Samples are up

https://lalalandrecords.com/tremors-limited-edition/

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Artwork preview:

https://warmbutter.com/albums/tremors/

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

The Folk music is just so much better. I wish he had composed the entire film.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

Presumably. Also worth noting that it's 25 minutes longer than the promo.

Yes. Most of what Folk re-did were suspense and action cues.

It's a great listen in isolation, but there's no denying there's a lot more meat on Folk's action writing than Troost's, which sounds a bit chintzy in comparison.


Thanks for additional info! Much appreciated.

I don't know if I would use the word "chintzy" to describe Troost's portions. I definitely think he was aiming for folksy (no pun intended) or perhaps country western/blues music, which IMO was a fantastic fit for the "character" of Perfection.

Now, since I've only ever heard the music as presented in the film, my opinion might change once I hear Troost's originals rather than what I now know is Folk's music.


Doing a back-to-back A/B comparison of the "Final Confrontation" samples, I can definitely hear the difference and, yes, it sounds like Folk's contributions were indeed a welcome contribution. Very eager to hear all of the music though! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2020 - 2:26 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

If anyone knows how to playlist the LLL tracks into the promo programme from 2000, or at least something close to it, let me know. The tracks aren't called the same, they have different lengths etc. I might get access to a digital version of this new release, and would like to use the promo programme as a guide for a possible listening experience. Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2020 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

The Folk music is just so much better. I wish he had composed the entire film.

It could be because I've never known the score any other way, but I really like Troost's folksy (no pun intended) incidental contributions to the score, like the main title. Stuff that establishes the characters and the quasi-comedic tone of the movie. It's got a great lived-in quality. But certainly the action stuff belongs to Folk. I'm always impressed by how clean his orchestrations are even in the biggest action moments.

 
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