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 Posted:   Dec 21, 2020 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   john_jay_doggett   (Member)

DVD audio discs from my fellowship and two towers sets both refuse to play. Tried my DVD and bluray machines. Looks like they rotted to me. DVD machine says "no play" and my bluray machine looks at it and spits it out. I sold my ROTK set on Amazon some time back (2+ years). Didn't check to see if the DVD audio disc played, but the buyer didn't complain, so I assume it was OK. Replaced it with the ROTK set containing the bluray audio disc.

Also, these sets are apparently out of print again?


I can't beleive it, I thought I was the only one! I tried to play the 3 dvds and they didn't work!! I bought the three sets also, I'm not planing to spend more than 300 dollars just to replace those, it's a shame, many very old DVDs and CDs still play perfectly, I don't know what was the problem with these sets frown

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2020 - 10:09 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

it's a shame, many very old DVDs and CDs still play perfectly, I don't know what was the problem with these sets frown

certain discs do go bad, it's usually just an issue with how they were manufactured all those years ago, something went wrong chemically over time.

I've had this happen with three Criterion titles, which they thankfully replaced, and three French BDs, which became coasters. Both of those were acknowledged issues with pressing plants.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2020 - 10:22 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Really makes me wish, even more, that Warner had thier hands in the SACD side of the format war instead of the failed DVD-A. We'd be playing perfectly working dual-layer SACDs and they might have even been a bit less expensive (AND less expansive in space).

Id love these to be in SACD, But the blu ray offer DTS soundstage which makes it palatble as well if mastered at greater mHz

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   jgoldader   (Member)

I was able to rip my FOTR and ROTK to ISO images. But while TTT seems to play, I was unable to rip it, there’s a read error. It might be that the player software is able to skip over or use error correction for the bad bit(s).

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

Is there a DVD equivalent of Exact Audio Copy?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I was able to rip my FOTR and ROTK to ISO images. But while TTT seems to play, I was unable to rip it, there’s a read error. It might be that the player software is able to skip over or use error correction for the bad bit(s).

I even had trouble ripping my CDs! I ended up re-buying 24-bit versions - which have their own advantages so didn't mind... so much... okay, I did a bit.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I was able to rip my FOTR and ROTK to ISO images. But while TTT seems to play, I was unable to rip it, there’s a read error. It might be that the player software is able to skip over or use error correction for the bad bit(s).

I even had trouble ripping my CDs! I ended up re-buying 24-bit versions - which have their own advantages so didn't mind... so much... okay, I did a bit.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

Is there a DVD equivalent of Exact Audio Copy?

https://www.redfox.bz/

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

Thanks but I need a free version.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

You won't find freeware with the features of the RedFox products. Have a look at the trial versions of the programs.

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Bishop   (Member)

The Redfox DVD products and EAC are very different beasts though.

EAC enables you to copy a CD and verify the result by various means.
The Redfox products enable you to copy a DVD, but without any advanced verification of the result.

So while the various forms of DVD copy protection have not been able to stop people from copying them, they seem to at least have killed the desire for a 1:1 or "perfect" copy.
Or in other words: contrary to CDs nobody seems to care how much a copy of a DVD differs from its original counterpart. frown

So while DVD can all of a sudden become completely useless, it is impossible (nor it even allowed!) to make a true copy of them. Wish the industry had found a better to deal with illegal behavior ... or that people in general would act more mature in these regards making copy protection necessary.

Back on topic: I'll have to check my LOTR-DVDs in the next days.
However I am now even more happy that I bought the BluRay versions as well - hopefully they'll last longer! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Midnight Mike   (Member)

I just finished listening to my Two Towers DVD audio disc in its entirety. Still plays perfectly.

I bought it the day it was released from Footlight Records in Manhattan. I did remove the audio DVD discs from the package and placed them in jewel cases, but I see written above that others did that too and they still won’t play for some.

I was also able to burn the cd’s to iTunes no problem a few years ago, so at least it’s not all pressings that are failing.

But I wonder what causes this to happen? I sure hope this wasn’t the last time they’ll play for me.

Next up, I’ll try Fellowship, and see what happens.

p.s.: I’m playing them on my Sony 4K blu ray player UBP X800

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Well surprise turnaround for me.

I tried the Fellowship DVD on my Blu Ray player and it plays just fine. I even navigated the screens and played different tracks. Just didn’t work on the iMac.

Also tried the first CD on my iMac and that plays fine.

So the conclusion seems to be the DVD plays fine on my Blu Ray player and the CD’s play fine on the iMac.

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Well surprise turnaround for me.

I tried the Fellowship DVD on my Blu Ray player and it plays just fine. I even navigated the screens and played different tracks. Just didn’t work on the iMac.




That shouldn't be a surprise. Apple doesn't support Blu-Ray and never has done.

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Well surprise turnaround for me.

I tried the Fellowship DVD on my Blu Ray player and it plays just fine. I even navigated the screens and played different tracks. Just didn’t work on the iMac.




That shouldn't be a surprise. Apple doesn't support Blu-Ray and never has done.


Where did I say I tried to play a Blu Ray on my iMac? I tried the Fellowship DVD on my iMac and got an error message. I tried the Fellowship DVD on my Blu Ray player and it played fine.

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

Would it be correct to assume that these 24bit versions are equivalent to the blu-ray versions?

FOTR: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea0b19c2ba0c5a5df9d992
TTT: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5e8e1c4a48fd91fa2528bc58
ROTK: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea046dc2ba0c5a5df9d507

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Would it be correct to assume that these 24bit versions are equivalent to the blu-ray versions?

FOTR: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea0b19c2ba0c5a5df9d992
TTT: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5e8e1c4a48fd91fa2528bc58
ROTK: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea046dc2ba0c5a5df9d507


Not quite. These are hi res stereo tracks. The DVD-As and Blu-Ray Audio discs are in 5.1 Surround.

 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2020 - 9:36 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Would it be correct to assume that these 24bit versions are equivalent to the blu-ray versions?

    FOTR: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea0b19c2ba0c5a5df9d992
    TTT: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5e8e1c4a48fd91fa2528bc58
    ROTK: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea046dc2ba0c5a5df9d507


  • Not quite. These are hi res stereo tracks. The DVD-As and Blu-Ray Audio discs are in 5.1 Surround.

    Thanks, good to know.

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     Posted:   Dec 29, 2020 - 6:00 AM   
     By:   Johnny W   (Member)

    I used DVD-Audio Explorer to transfer the Hi Res files to my computer as soon as I got the sets (2006-2008).

    Looks like I dodged a bullet.

     
     
     Posted:   Dec 29, 2020 - 6:42 AM   
     By:   Johnny W   (Member)

    Would it be correct to assume that these 24bit versions are equivalent to the blu-ray versions?

    FOTR: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea0b19c2ba0c5a5df9d992
    TTT: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5e8e1c4a48fd91fa2528bc58
    ROTK: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea046dc2ba0c5a5df9d507


    Not quite. These are hi res stereo tracks. The DVD-As and Blu-Ray Audio discs are in 5.1 Surround.


    The DVD-A disc had both Hi-Res 2.0 and 5.1 audio tracks.

     
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