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I have the following additional tracks that I was not able to include on the 2003 CD. I am sorry to torture people...I cannot share them...but because people are speculating:
Xmas Trees - a version sung solely by the kids - 3:36 [the CIA asked to use this at Gitmo]
2M1 We Have All the Time in the World jazz combo - film version - 2:52
2M2 Try - film version 3:13
4M2 guitar source 2:50
The Swiss alps skating source music, I don't have the slate # handy, 2:54 [the A section is the oompah music, the B section is the prettier melody]
and three score cues:
13M1 (score, soft suspense) 1:02
13M2 (score, orchestral version of We have All The Time in the World) 3:46
16M3 (soft instrumental of We Have All the Time in the World, flute melody) 0:39
There was a missing roll, I was told, that had sustained water damage. I believe it includes the film version of Escape From Piz Gloria, the other appearance of the action music in the Swiss town chase (Bond attacked in a phone booth)...and I don't know what else. These would have to be taken from the film stem if a 2CD set is ever produced.
Sorry for the frustration—
Lukas
Lukas wanted to personally thank you for the work you did in 2002 on the 2003 Bond
Expanded scores they were fantastic in the limited time & budget you had and the Bond Music community are very grateful.
I am a great believer that anything is possible, now, who would have thought that La La Land Records would have been able to do Die another day expanded score (2017) & The world is not enough expanded (2018). I know you said some OHMSS tapes were damaged but they can always lift them by other means now days let’s hope your superb work can be expanded upon
Keith
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Jan 26, 2021 - 1:57 PM
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I have the following additional tracks that I was not able to include on the 2003 CD. I am sorry to torture people...I cannot share them...but because people are speculating:
Xmas Trees - a version sung solely by the kids - 3:36 [the CIA asked to use this at Gitmo]
2M1 We Have All the Time in the World jazz combo - film version - 2:52
2M2 Try - film version 3:13
4M2 guitar source 2:50
The Swiss alps skating source music, I don't have the slate # handy, 2:54 [the A section is the oompah music, the B section is the prettier melody]
and three score cues:
13M1 (score, soft suspense) 1:02
13M2 (score, orchestral version of We have All The Time in the World) 3:46
16M3 (soft instrumental of We Have All the Time in the World, flute melody) 0:39
There was a missing roll, I was told, that had sustained water damage. I believe it includes the film version of Escape From Piz Gloria, the other appearance of the action music in the Swiss town chase (Bond attacked in a phone booth)...and I don't know what else. These would have to be taken from the film stem if a 2CD set is ever produced.
Sorry for the frustration—
Lukas
Thanks for the info! For the record, I always thought the town chase was tracked from the Main Title. It sounds almost identical, barring the parts edited out.
Also, the film version of Escape from Piz Gloria - I assume that means the tremolo strings opening?
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Regarding the Escape From Piz Gloria—this was at the end of a roll, there was only one take, which sounded like a correct performance to me, although yes the opening featured the Moog and not the tremolo strings as heard in the film.
I had always assumed that the next roll in the series—the one lost to water damage—had additional takes with the film opening of that cue...and also the chase music through the town. Whether that is a track of the Main Title, I guess you'd have to compare them in an audio software to see if they phase.
Lukas
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I'd take all that. Plus additional expansions of the more recent scores. The Craig films have some fine music left off their albums. Still would take a complete Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies. Live and Let Die would be sweet complete and as much as I loathe The Spy Who Loved Me...it's Bond, so I'll take a proper score release.
I want a complete Tomorrow Never Dies and GoldenEye and then I will be happy. Anything else after those two would just be a bonus for me.
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16M3 (soft instrumental of We Have All the Time in the World, flute melody) 0:39
That reads like a perfect match for "Bond Mourns Tracy." Melody, instrument, timing.
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Thank You for the info Lukas! Could you also post info on unreleased cues in Thunderball, if possible?
Sorry no, I have the material archived but it is not accessible. Sorry.
Lukas
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I would sell my kidney for that set !!!!!!!!!!!!
More expanded 007's, please !
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To be honest, I feel the Connery (and Lazenby) films are well enough represented on CD now and I'd far rather have the Moore scores expanded, particularly the five which still only exist in their original LP release versions, than yet more THUNDERBALL or OHMSS which are already 79 minutes long each, more than double the original LPs, and would thus have to be 2-disc sets. Running order apart (which was a contractual obligation) there's really nothing wrong with those expanded presentations, but I'd sooner see that treatment applied to GOLDEN GUN, OCTOPUSSY and VIEW TO A KILL than another trip to those already well-pumped wells.
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I don't think this would sell well because of (1) the existing expanded CDs and (2) the small number of fans of the entire franchise.
And the price......that would be an expensive set!
I really would also be grateful of anything being expanded relating to the Bond soundtracks ,but agree the Roger Moore Bond era is the era most in need of music being expanded & would be a perfect for the 60th Anniversary in 2022
La La Land Records could even offer different types , just single Bond soundtrack releases or Box sets for the different Bonds or as Tall Guy suggested yesterday the 1st 35 years which would then cover Dr No through to Tomorrow Never Dies.
They could then at a later date do the 5 x Daniel Craig film scores as expanded editions, I’m open to anything ????
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We have some real James Bond music soundtrack connoisseurs in this community.
Would anyone be able to list from Dr No right through to Spectre what has yet to be released on an expanded CD for each soundtrack & roughly how many minutes is missing on each soundtrack ?
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Let's start with Barry's masterpiece, OHMSS. The 2003 expansion is a magnificent upgrade from the original CD, but it isn't complete.
I made the following sound clips from the movie:
- Resignation Medley
- Request Granted
- Tracy Arrives at Bullfights
- Spanish Guitar at Bullfights (totally beaten down by incessant dialogue)
- Alpine Christmas Festival
- Tracy and Blofeld Recite Poem (but this appears to be from "Over and Out" on CD)
- Bond Mourns Tracy (slow version of "We Have All the Time" love theme)
Is that it? If I could have only one more thing on the CD, it would be the Spanish guitar, because you can barely make it out in the film.
To my tin ear, the poem is a slightly different version of Over And Out. I think Tracy Arrives At Bullfight is on the track Bond And Draco
This is great & shows that even with the great expansion in 2003 that there is still more unreleased music for OHMSS
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The master tapes for the first three films are lost so whatever's missing from Dr. No, FRWL, and Goldfinger would have to be lifted from DMEs, which is a problem in and of itself. Same goes with Moonraker.
Moonraker came up in another thread and someone in the know indicated that the Paris recording sessions were found and a high-quality digital backup was performed. Not sure of the validity of the comments, but the poster seemed sincere. For a time I thought LLL would be releasing a Bond album each year during the holidays. I am sure there are multiple reasons for the pause, but hopefully, the already released albums were decent sellers.
Yes I very much was hoping that La La Records would be releasing a Bond expanded soundtrack each year on Black Friday, however I think the release of No Time To Die has stopped this happening, that’s why we all hope the film will now be released in October 2021 to enable further expanded Bond scores in 2022 the 60th Anniversary
A fellow member Tango Urilla in 2013 listed the MOONRAKER unreleased music see below
This is roughly how it breaks down:
Gunbarrel: 0:24
Hijacking the shuttle: 0:53
Freefall: 1:32 (two shorter cues separated in the film)
Arrival at the chateau: 0:44
Starting the centrifuge: 0:44
Photographing Venini glass blueprints: 1:27
Following Goodhead in Venice: 0:40
Gondola chase: 2:18
Hang gliding in the Amazon: 0:34
Shuttle launch: 0:36
Switching off the gravity: 0:33
Jaws and Dolly in the space station wreckage: 1:00
Total approx. time of unreleased music: 11:25
This is up for discussion ,is there more unreleased music listed above from Moonraker that has been missed ??
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If you were a member of the James Bond music group on Facebook, you'd have seen Mr. Gerhard of La-La-Land records post that in 2019 they intended to release three anniversary sets.
LICENSE TO KILL 30th anniversary complete score
MOONRAKER 40th anniversary complete score
OHMSS 50th anniversary 2CD complete score
Alas they were unable to proceed.
I'm not breaking any confidences there, it was posted on Facebook in that group for all to see.
This whole “MOONRAKER tapes are lost!” thing was always a canard. It was a misquotation that became urban myth, and to this day people keep saying it.
Everyone who thought Davout studios threw the tapes out forgot that to get a score in a film you have to do more than just record it. You have to dub it. The dubbing happened in England, and Jon Burlingame in his book confirmed the paper trail that showed the tapes were shipped to the UK after recording.
There is no reason in the world they would have been shipped back to Davout after dubbing. After all Davout was a recording studio not a storage facility.
As to what's missing, yes, not much actually, but it is fantastic.
There is still more music missing from THUNDERBALL than from MOONRAKER, and MOONRAKER could have been released complete and would still have been a shorter album than THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN. (Well, nearly.)
I have seen the actual cue sheets for MOONRAKER—the actual cue sheets, not fan made up ones—and it confirms there was no music recorded that isn't in the film, although some music (esp. source music) will have been shortened going into the film. You can expect they might be longer on record.
As to the silly rumors that there is an unreleased MOONRAKER overture—bullshit, okay? That seems to have started with a bootleg that claimed to include it when it was something like one of those Erich Kunzel recordings.
To the list above you can add one more short one—the soft romantic music just before going into the end titles.
Cheers
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Jan 29, 2021 - 2:47 AM
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juhana
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If you were a member of the James Bond music group on Facebook, you'd have seen Mr. Gerhard of La-La-Land records post that in 2019 they intended to release three anniversary sets.
LICENSE TO KILL 30th anniversary complete score
MOONRAKER 40th anniversary complete score
OHMSS 50th anniversary 2CD complete score
Alas they were unable to proceed.
I'm not breaking any confidences there, it was posted on Facebook in that group for all to see.
This whole “MOONRAKER tapes are lost!” thing was always a canard. It was a misquotation that became urban myth, and to this day people keep saying it.
Everyone who thought Davout studios threw the tapes out forgot that to get a score in a film you have to do more than just record it. You have to dub it. The dubbing happened in England, and Jon Burlingame in his book confirmed the paper trail that showed the tapes were shipped to the UK after recording.
There is no reason in the world they would have been shipped back to Davout after dubbing. After all Davout was a recording studio not a storage facility.
As to what's missing, yes, not much actually, but it is fantastic.
There is still more music missing from THUNDERBALL than from MOONRAKER, and MOONRAKER could have been released complete and would still have been a shorter album than THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN. (Well, nearly.)
I have seen the actual cue sheets for MOONRAKER—the actual cue sheets, not fan made up ones—and it confirms there was no music recorded that isn't in the film, although some music (esp. source music) will have been shortened going into the film. You can expect they might be longer on record.
As to the silly rumors that there is an unreleased MOONRAKER overture—bullshit, okay? That seems to have started with a bootleg that claimed to include it when it was something like one of those Erich Kunzel recordings.
To the list above you can add one more short one—the soft romantic music just before going into the end titles.
Cheers
I recall some talk of an early version of the opening song, which supposedly started with a quote of the ”flight into space” theme. Can’t recall where this was said, but very likely somewhere on this forum. Is there truth to this claim?
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If you were a member of the James Bond music group on Facebook, you'd have seen Mr. Gerhard of La-La-Land records post that in 2019 they intended to release three anniversary sets.
LICENSE TO KILL 30th anniversary complete score
MOONRAKER 40th anniversary complete score
OHMSS 50th anniversary 2CD complete score
Alas they were unable to proceed.
I'm not breaking any confidences there, it was posted on Facebook in that group for all to see.
This whole “MOONRAKER tapes are lost!” thing was always a canard. It was a misquotation that became urban myth, and to this day people keep saying it.
Everyone who thought Davout studios threw the tapes out forgot that to get a score in a film you have to do more than just record it. You have to dub it. The dubbing happened in England, and Jon Burlingame in his book confirmed the paper trail that showed the tapes were shipped to the UK after recording.
There is no reason in the world they would have been shipped back to Davout after dubbing. After all Davout was a recording studio not a storage facility.
As to what's missing, yes, not much actually, but it is fantastic.
There is still more music missing from THUNDERBALL than from MOONRAKER, and MOONRAKER could have been released complete and would still have been a shorter album than THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN. (Well, nearly.)
I have seen the actual cue sheets for MOONRAKER—the actual cue sheets, not fan made up ones—and it confirms there was no music recorded that isn't in the film, although some music (esp. source music) will have been shortened going into the film. You can expect they might be longer on record.
As to the silly rumors that there is an unreleased MOONRAKER overture—bullshit, okay? That seems to have started with a bootleg that claimed to include it when it was something like one of those Erich Kunzel recordings.
To the list above you can add one more short one—the soft romantic music just before going into the end titles.
Cheers
Thanks Stephen
This is very encouraging to hear that La La Land Records have the below on the horizon & hopefully these will be issued in 2022 once No Time To Die hits cinemas in October 2021
LICENSE TO KILL 30th anniversary complete score
MOONRAKER 40th anniversary complete score
OHMSS 50th anniversary 2CD complete score
Also hoping TOMORROW NEVER DIES - 2 CD complete score will also be issued
That’s also great that the MOONRAKER tapes are not lost & also you have seen the call sheet for this score.
Thank you for adding to the missing unreleased MOONRAKER score cue
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