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 Posted:   Jun 30, 2021 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

"The sound has been entirely restored". Interesting wording. That could mean nothing has changed at all from the last release.

I don't understand this. How could the "interesting wording" mean that? And why would Quartet hire the great Chris Malone to work on this, if not to make improvements in sound over the FSM edition(s)?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2021 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

In Owen Wilson voice: “Wow!”

I’ve had the 2002 version all this time and had no idea about the missing music! Crazy! Even more reason to double dip this bad boy.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2021 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

So it looks like the first release on Retrograde had two tracks early on in the sequence, titled "Blue" and "More Taking" that were neither on the later Retrograde nor on this version, unless they appear as parts of other tracks.

It also looks like some tracks have been recombined and between the second Retrograde and this version, and it looks like there may be additional passages embedded in certain tracks, if the timings listed here are accurate.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2021 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

In Owen Wilson voice: “Wow!”

I’ve had the 2002 version all this time and had no idea about the missing music! Crazy! Even more reason to double dip this bad boy.


Nor did I. If I'd known that, I would have skipped the re-issue and sought out the original.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2021 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

In Owen Wilson voice: “Wow!”

I’ve had the 2002 version all this time and had no idea about the missing music! Crazy! Even more reason to double dip this bad boy.


It looks like the tracks titled "Blue" and "More Taking" are not on this new release.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2021 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

"The sound has been entirely restored". Interesting wording. That could mean nothing has changed at all from the last release.

I don't understand this. How could the "interesting wording" mean that? And why would Quartet hire the great Chris Malone to work on this, if not to make improvements in sound over the FSM edition(s)?

Yavar



The word "restored" was chosen as a selling point, which means returning something to it's earlier condition. I can see the word "restored" being applicable to a release of some aged materials for a Korngold or Steiner score, but judging from the copy of Pelham that I have here, I'd say it doesn't strike me as being much in need of a restoration. Maybe a tonal adjustment and a touch of alternative editing at most. You suggest the admirable Chris Malone has made improvements to the sound which is very likely. But I've wasted money on way too many reissues that make some very minor tweaks in sound that haven't proved to be worth the extra purchase. If the changes are more than minor tweaks, let them say so. The word "restored" doesn't give me any clue whatsoever as to what I can expect if I buy this release.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2021 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The word "restored" was chosen as a selling point, which means returning something to it's earlier condition. I can see the word "restored" being applicable to a release of some aged materials for a Korngold or Steiner score, but judging from the copy of Pelham that I have here, I'd say it doesn't strike me as being much in need of a restoration. Maybe a tonal adjustment and a touch of alternative editing at most. You suggest the admirable Chris Malone has made improvements to the sound which is very likely. But I've wasted money on way too many reissues that make some very minor tweaks in sound that haven't proved to be worth the extra purchase. If the changes are more than minor tweaks, let them say so. The word "restored" doesn't give me any clue whatsoever as to what I can expect if I buy this release.

Well, I still don't understand how their wording could mean that nothing has changed on this new release, or why they would spend the money to hire Chris Malone, if that were the case. I'm sure he did some actual work on this to improve it, but if you're happy with the old edition -- keep it and save your money on this! Simple as that. There are plenty of other good releases to spend your money on instead.

Maybe Chris will notice this and chime in with greater detail on what he did to restore this classic score... I always enjoy when he participates in this forum.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2021 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I just ordered it... so I'll look forward to comparing it with the last release when it arrives.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2021 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

It looks like the tracks titled "Blue" and "More Taking" are not on this new release.

Can anyone confirm? Or are they parts of other tracks???

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2021 - 9:22 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

500 units. Probably won’t be around for long.

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2021 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

It looks like the tracks titled "Blue" and "More Taking" are not on this new release.

Can anyone confirm? Or are they parts of other tracks???



I guess you're referring to the as a virtual release available album. That release had more separated tracks — and different mastering. But the musical content is basically the same.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2021 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

It looks like the tracks titled "Blue" and "More Taking" are not on this new release.

Can anyone confirm? Or are they parts of other tracks???



I guess you're referring to the as a virtual release available album. That release had more separated tracks — and different mastering. But the musical content is basically the same.


No, these were on the first Retrograde release, I believe they were tracks 3 and 4. They were not listed on the second Retrograde release - either they were dropped, or re-combined with other tracks.

Anyone know the story?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2021 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)

I've got both albums. The second edition has a touch of reverb, but other than some slight editing (which ISTR was done by Shire to tighten it up slightly) there really isn't that much difference between them. And to be honest I'm not expecting the new edition to be massively different either.

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2021 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

The tracks on the virtual release and the first Retrograde are te same. The second Retrograde had the tracks combined (so not dropped). This new release looks abut the same as the second Retrograde, although there are slight timing differences. Those have probably no effect on the content.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2021 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   teacher.8007   (Member)

I happen to have both the RETROGRADE/FSM release and an Mp3 version of the Quartet release. The trims, totalling 2 mins consist of silences, repetitions of parts and fades between tracks. The trims and edits supervised by Shire on the FSM release give the music a consistent flow that never lets up in excitement nor breaks up the tempo of the musical experience. The complete version is enjoyable in its own right but with a slight diminish in the musical joy ride in parts.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2021 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I happen to have both the RETROGRADE/FSM release and an Mp3 version of the Quartet release. The trims, totalling 2 mins consist of silences, repetitions of parts and fades between tracks. The trims and edits supervised by Shire on the FSM release give the music a consistent flow that never lets up in excitement nor breaks up the tempo of the musical experience. The complete version is enjoyable in its own right but with a slight diminish in the musical joy ride in parts.

Thank you for clarifying.

Nothing can ruin a film score release more than glacial decays on final notes/chords. I'm glad that Shire tightened it up.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2021 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)

I happen to have both the RETROGRADE/FSM release and an Mp3 version of the Quartet release. The trims, totalling 2 mins consist of silences, repetitions of parts and fades between tracks. The trims and edits supervised by Shire on the FSM release give the music a consistent flow that never lets up in excitement nor breaks up the tempo of the musical experience. The complete version is enjoyable in its own right but with a slight diminish in the musical joy ride in parts.

Yes, I agree with this summary.

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2021 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Thanks teacher.8007!

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2021 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   bigjimwilson   (Member)

Just listened through this, it's just so so good isn't it.

This edition sounds really lovely. Very sensible reverb use, and so lovely to hear the End Titles without the clunky edit. Many thanks to Quartet for giving one of my very favourite scores their usual top notch treatment.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2021 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Ohhhhh I can’t wait to hear this.

 
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