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 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 2:22 AM   
 By:   Diederik   (Member)

I’d snap up a new version if it was mastered at a normal level.

This is one Goldsmith score that I've yet to discover. I'd like to because of its place within Goldsmith's oeuvre, when he really went all out with electronics and how to apply them. The comments about the excessively loud mastering of the Varèse expansions have withheld me from getting it. Varèse unfortunately had a habit of cranking the sound up far too high. When I got their Spartacus complete album masters release, I was shocked to hear that music cranked up way too loud. As a result, that score never clicked with me.

How is the sound and mastering on the original Runaway album?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 2:58 AM   
 By:   Nils   (Member)

RUNAWAY seems to be a quite divisive score. Some like it while others seem to hate it. I definitely enjoy it - it may not be among my top 10 Goldsmith scores, but it's not far behind. As I wrote in another thread, while it does sound purely electronic, and Goldsmith rarely tries to imitate orchestral sounds (as Nicolai wonderfully put it, it does indeed sound like "the musical equivalent of high voltage straight from the socket"), it's still possible to imagine it being performed by an orchestra. Which is quite a feat, I think. And proof that it's carefully written, and not something someone came up with by doodling away on his synthesizer.

And it's a bit strange how much I enjoy RUNAWAY while, at the same time, I strongly dislike his other all-electronic score, CRIMINAL LAW. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 4:19 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Unless I've overlooked any, it's certainly my favourite 'all synth' Goldsmith score.
Yes, it's synths emulating an orchestra, in the way it's been laid down and programmed, which goes against what many fans like about synth scores, but it works for me.
I loved the old LP and CD thereafter, right down to the Christopher Cross riffing End Titles.
I even bought the Deluxe Edition, but prefer the old CD programme and sound.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)



And it's a bit strange how much I enjoy RUNAWAY while, at the same time, I strongly dislike his other all-electronic score, CRIMINAL LAW. smile


Agreed. I love Runaway almost as much as I detest Criminal Law.

In fact Criminal Law was the first Goldsmith soundtrack I’d bought in decades where my reaction was “WTF is this crap?”. I actually thought perhaps the wrong CD had been in the case.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

Unless I've overlooked any, it's certainly my favourite 'all synth' Goldsmith score.
Yes, it's synths emulating an orchestra, in the way it's been laid down and programmed, which goes against what many fans like about synth scores, but it works for me.
I loved the old LP and CD thereafter, right down to the Christopher Cross riffing End Titles.
I even bought the Deluxe Edition, but prefer the old CD programme and sound.


What about Hoosiers?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 5:32 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I even bought the Deluxe Edition, but prefer the old CD programme and sound.

I agree the older album does play better. But I love some of those unreleased cues.

There's something very odd about the sound on the DE. The extra tracks sound different, to my ears, suggesting they were taken from a different source. And they're WAY too hot.

A more evenly balanced mix of the complete score is needed.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I’d snap up a new version if it was mastered at a normal level.

THIS!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

"What about Hoosiers?"
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I LOVE HOOSIERS...Top 10 Goldsmith for sure.
But I don't count that one in the 'all synth' category, AV, cos it's big orchestral with synth boing boings.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

"What about Hoosiers?"
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I LOVE HOOSIERS...Top 10 Goldsmith for sure.
But I don't count that one in the 'all synth' category, AV, cos it's big orchestral with synth boing boings.


Fair point. I love Hoosiers too. One of the lost upbeat scores of Goldsmith’s career. Damn good movie too.

Ps is “boing boings” a technical term?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Yes, it is.
When I studied composition under the tutelage of the great Gerald McBoing Boing, he would often profess his love for his father, Jerrald McGoldsmith.
True story.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 5:30 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

And it's a bit strange how much I enjoy RUNAWAY while, at the same time, I strongly dislike his other all-electronic score, CRIMINAL LAW. smile

That's because Runaway is a damn good score and Criminal Law is an absolute slog to get through.

But don't forget about Alien Nation. Jerry did three all-electronic scores. Alien Nation is definitely fun too, but not nearly as good as Runaway to me.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2022 - 11:21 PM   
 By:   Nils   (Member)

In fact Criminal Law was the first Goldsmith soundtrack I’d bought in decades where my reaction was “WTF is this crap?”. I actually thought perhaps the wrong CD had been in the case.

Ha ha, yes, that was more or less my first reaction, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2022 - 12:14 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

The controversial Criminal Law, and the controversial Goldeneye. Both written for Martin Campbell films. Coincidence?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2022 - 2:44 AM   
 By:   Nils   (Member)

But don't forget about Alien Nation. Jerry did three all-electronic scores. Alien Nation is definitely fun too, but not nearly as good as Runaway to me.

Yeah, I know about ALIEN NATION. I guess I subconsciously decided it didn't count, because it was rejected. smile
And I agree that it's somewhere between CRIMINAL LAW and RUNAWAY in quality (and listenability).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2022 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

The controversial Criminal Law, and the controversial Goldeneye. Both written for Martin Campbell films. Coincidence?

I’d never picked up on that! Good point!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2022 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

To be fair to Campbell, that's just two duffers and he has had some good scores from Horner (2 x ZORRO'S and BEYOND BORDERS), a decent effort from JNH (VERTICAL LIMIT) and my personal favourite David Arnold/James Bond score (CASINO ROYALE).
I also highly rate Corigliano's EDGE OF DARKNESS, even if it went unused.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2022 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

To be fair to Campbell, that's just two duffers and he has had some good scores from Horner (2 x ZORRO'S and BEYOND BORDERS), a decent effort from JNH (VERTICAL LIMIT) and my personal favourite David Arnold/James Bond score (CASINO ROYALE).
I also highly rate Corigliano's EDGE OF DARKNESS, even if it went unused.


The Mask of Zorro is in my top 5 Horner list. Magnificent from start to end.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2022 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

On RUNAWAY, is the track title ALLEY FIGHT or ALLEY FLIGHT?

Both show up online.

Graham

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2022 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

On RUNAWAY, is the track title ALLEY FIGHT or ALLEY FLIGHT?
Both show up online.
Graham


It's ALLEY FLIGHT.

It was correct on the original CD. Labelled "FIGHT" incorrectly on the Deluxe Edition, then corrected back to "FLIGHT" for the Encore Edition.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2022 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Thanks.

Graham

 
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