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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      General Discussion: HARRY GREGSON-WILLIAMS - THE LAST DUEL (2021)    FIRST   PRIOR   1 2       Last Post   Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 1:18 PM     By:   nuts_score   (Member) My main issue is the 'woke' element, which is bizarre when you consider that Scott has always been a pioneer in portraying strong female characters that grow organically out of the story (Ripley, Thelma & Louise etc.). In this case, however, it felt forced. Obviously, the source material could be blamed, but I still don't like the way the rhetoric was on display here... I'm confused about what the "woke element" of this movie is, or even what a "woke element" is at this point. Care to elaborate?    Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 2:07 PM     By:   MKRUltra   (Member) A movie that even modestly critiques men makes some insecure dudes angry and uncomfortable. See also the hysterical overreaction Thelma & Louise got. Granted the movie does get very didactic, but it works because Scott also doesn't pull any punches whatsoever on the violence, which keeps it from being just a hamfisted message movie. It's almost Verhoeven-esque at times it's so graphic, right up to the end.    Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 3:24 PM     By:   Bond1965   (Member) The track "The Aftermath" I believe is also part of the End Credits. At least I think so. In any case, that really lovely orchestral piece I heard in the last part of the End Credits was really nice. James    Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 4:22 PM     By:   gnicks   (Member) Saw the film last night and I had to laugh reading the 'woke' complaint. Imagine being so insecure that you are offended by a film that critiques sexual assault perpetrators and the laws of women being the literal property of men. At this point, 'woke' is just a buzzword that probably says more about the person using it than it does about whatever they are complaining about. Anyway, thought it was a solid movie. A little meandering early on, perhaps. But it builds to a very strong conclusion. Comer and Driver were great, I thought. The score is also good. Perhaps the best from Harry in recent memory? I love the use of choir. It definitely has shades of Kingdom of Heaven. And yes, the song (if we can call it that) that plays over the end credits is lovely.    Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 7:24 PM     By:   Totoro   (Member) I bet "Harry Gregson-Williams" is not a real name. Just like "Willy Bobson-Goldenthal". But anything is better than Zimmer I guess.    Posted:   Oct 16, 2021 - 1:05 AM     By:   No Respectable Gentleman   (Member) My two cents. Thought the film was a grand old-fashioned historical epic, Scott's best movie in ages. But I was a little troubled by the expliciit message that women always tell the truth and men lie (check out the title of Chapter Three). That's fashionable, it's easy, and it's also weak. Thought the score was KINGDOM OF HEAVEN-lite -- okay but unmenorable, and I yearned for Barry's LION IN WINTER. For that matter, the dialogue could have done with a bit of LION IN WINTER magic too.    Posted:   Oct 16, 2021 - 2:03 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) My two cents. Thought the film was a grand old-fashioned historical epic, Scott's best movie in ages. But I was a little troubled by the expliciit message that women always tell the truth and men lie (check out the title of Chapter Three). True, but that's just a small part of what irritated me. What was their point, exactly? That women suffered under terrible conditions in the middle ages? That should be fairly obvious to everyone who knows even a tiny bit of history. My problem is more that the male characters are reduced to cardboard figures in the last act, as some sort of clever rhetorical twist. Whereas it has the opposite effect on me; it just become annoying in its overtness (or 'wokeness', as is the trend word these days). And -- to reiterate that point again -- very surprising, since Scott has traditionally been very good at strong female characters that are just organically and naturally strong in the narratives (relying on ingenuity, wit and maternal instincts when needed). He hasn't really had the need for all the extra 'window dressing' rhetoric before. There would have been a way to tell this story without all of that. But even though I was disappointed, I wouldn't call it a bad film. My severe Scott fandom doesn't allow that. There are many other good things carrying it, like the score.    Posted:   Oct 16, 2021 - 2:48 AM     By:   keky   (Member) My two cents. Thought the film was a grand old-fashioned historical epic, Scott's best movie in ages. But I was a little troubled by the expliciit message that women always tell the truth and men lie (check out the title of Chapter Three). That's fashionable, it's easy, and it's also weak. Thought the score was KINGDOM OF HEAVEN-lite -- okay but unmenorable, and I yearned for Barry's LION IN WINTER. For that matter, the dialogue could have done with a bit of LION IN WINTER magic too. Agreed. It would have been a much better movie if the audience was left with questions about what actually happened.    Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 4:31 PM     By:   nuts_score   (Member) After seeing the film yesterday I'm still confused at what Thor was angered about as "wokeness." Even more so following his brief follow-up thoughts above. It didn't present a narrative that is particularly belittling of assumed gender roles, particularly of the time period. On top of that, rape and accusation have been topics of cinema storytelling since its infancy. Hardly anything new or controversial there. The story is presented from three points of view. In Damon's we see Jean as he sees himself with the occasional odd occurrence of him observing how others perceive him. In Driver's we see how Jaques sees himself, with the admittance that he is petty and a cad. And in Comer's we see how Marguerite must navigate these lives in her own. We still bare witness to her devotion and love of her husband. Yet we still see Damon as he was in his own: assumptive and short of temper. There is so much rich content in all the stories about these three characters that it would be impossible for me to consider the men had become cardboard cutouts. If this is "woke" then perhaps movies have always been "woke" for longer than we realize? I'm still confused about the infantilism with buzz words and outrage culture. It removes the aspect of conversation to limit it to catchphrases and hashtags. The film was a good yarn. I would wager Scott's best since Prometheus (though I assume people who don't like that film would bare issue). It suffers from much of the same bloat that many of his films endure. I'm always lost in irony because one of my favorite films of his, Blade Runner, has always been criticized for being slow and ponderous whereas I find films like Gladiator and The Last Duel to be truly a hassle to sit through sometimes. As always, seeing a Ridley Scott film in the cinemas is always a great experience!    Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 4:36 PM     By:   nuts_score   (Member) I, too, did roll my eyes at the text of chapter 3's intertitles to fade out and leave the word "truth" behind. Talk about leaving subtext and conversation behind. Though nothing about this movie states that "women tell the truth all of the time" so that comment is a bit obtuse. A few of the female characters in this film were petty and loatheful all the same so I personally did not see a pedestal being presented; I only witnessed a haphazard indication that maybe the studio, the screenwriters, or the director felt we needed to know which version was "true." It seemed to me that all the versions were true, but it is about how we make our own truths to cover our mistakes, misguidance, or lack of foresight.    Posted:   Dec 2, 2022 - 1:32 AM     By:   FAbso   (Member) I would like to share with you a couple videos I made analysing Harry Gregson-Williams score for Ridley Scott's The Last Duel. Feel free to share your thoughts, especially if you don't agree with what I'm saying, I would like to know what you think. Hope you like it!     General Discussion: HARRY GREGSON-WILLIAMS - THE LAST DUEL (2021)    << < 1 2  >   Go to page:  1 2   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2

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