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 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

I thought that Snake Eyes was the Ryuichi Sakamoto one for a minute when I saw the tweet about this.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

I thought that Snake Eyes was the Ryuichi Sakamoto one for a minute when I saw the tweet about this.

Hoping for that one someday. I caught the film last year. There's an ondes martenot in it! Please tell me that someone is working on this.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

I would be very curious to hear alternates and outtakes of some of the action material from this score as it was quite demanding for the orchestra (would also like to see the orchestra roster which was left off the FSM release iirc).

However, I am very happy with the FSM release (I remember thinking how revelatory the sound improvement was the first time I heard Enterprise Clears Moorings) and don't really see the need to triple dip on this score unless there is some new or significant alternate material.

Very exciting for the folks who missed out the first time around though--this is a classic.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

That's interesting, as the FSM release of this score is still in print?

The FSM release is out of print.


I thought you could get it right here, but indeed, apparently not.
https://filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/431/Star-Trek-II-The-Wrath-of-Khan/

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Is disc 1 the complete score and does disc 2 contain the album presentation that was released on Atlantic Records (reissued by G.N.P. Crescendo) along with alternate versions of cues? "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan" is my second favorite Star Trek feature film score (after Goldsmith's "Star Trek: The Motion Picture").

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Grack21   (Member)

No idea what could be on this and I DONT CARE TAKE MY MONEY

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Is disc 1 the complete score and does disc 2 contain the album presentation that was released on Atlantic Records (reissued by G.N.P. Crescendo) along with alternate versions of cues? "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan" is my second favorite Star Trek feature film score (after Goldsmith's "Star Trek: The Motion Picture").

There wouldn't really be a need for an album presentation, as all the album cues are just selected cues of the complete film score

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   Tom Guernsey   (Member)

Is disc 1 the complete score and does disc 2 contain the album presentation that was released on Atlantic Records (reissued by G.N.P. Crescendo) along with alternate versions of cues? "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan" is my second favorite Star Trek feature film score (after Goldsmith's "Star Trek: The Motion Picture").

There wouldn't really be a need for an album presentation, as all the album cues are just selected cues of the complete film score


I think that's correct, aside from the minor edit to Battle in the Mutara Nebula, which is kinda neither here nor there... but hey, if the sources are better and the sound improved, I'm in.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   Cameron007   (Member)

Neo: WHOA!

I'm betting Disc 1 is the complete score heard in the film. Disc 2 is probably the OST remastered. I could be wrong but I have that sneaky feeling.

I'm honestly quite happy with FSM's release. Unless LLL found some new material FSM some how missed.


We don't really need a full remastered OST for this one, do we? The only two cues I can think of would be the Battle in the Mutara Nebula without the synth overlay, and the original End Title. Weren't the other tracks the same?

The same can't be said for TSFS.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

would also like to see the orchestra roster which was left off the FSM release

https://filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/431/Star-Trek-II-The-Wrath-of-Khan/

Orchestra rosters have since been added for this and many other scores to the actual FSM webpage for each score in question!

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Since it is a "remastered edition" I wonder if they found some better sources for the music.

If I recall correctly, the FSM/Retrograde release (which I regard as definitive) was from the film LCR film mix, mixed down to 2 channels for release.

If better sources have been found that would bring up the quality and perhaps allow separation of a couple of joined cues, along with perhaps some alternates, it would easily be worth revisiting.

I suspect a slightly revised film-version programme will be presented on one disc, with the other containing the original OST programme recreated from the remastered sources.

Following the OST contents, we may have alternates, such as the early version of the Epilogue.

I'm curious to see what is actually there, and this may be a must-buy given the right content to justify the purchase.

In any case, keeping the score in print is important for those who do not have it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

We don't really need a full remastered OST for this one, do we? The only two cues I can think of would be the Battle in the Mutara Nebula without the synth overlay, and the original End Title. Weren't the other tracks the same?

The original End Title is the same as it was on the album, BUT that brings up a crucial detail.

This release will likely feature the original album because it will have two variations that will not be on the film score presentation. First is the lack of synth on the 'Battle in the Mutara Nebula' and the second will be Spock's Voice Over during the epilogue. If the film score presentation will have it's own CD, it would make sense to feature 'Epilogue - End Title' without Spock's Voice on that disc while the original album will.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Since it is a "remastered edition" I wonder if they found some better sources for the music.

If I recall correctly, the FSM/Retrograde release (which I regard as definitive) was from the film LCR film mix, mixed down to 2 channels for release.



The master tapes, according to my notes (info from Neil S. Bulk):

• A 1-inch, 32-track 3M digital tape (50 kHz, 16-bit) was the first generation, and it contains everything, unmixed. This tape got its digital-to-digital conversion at Disney Imagineering, sampled at 96 kHz / 24-bit (from the 3M machine's analog outputs, because 50 kHz is not compatible with modern digital recorders).

• The mixes are on half-inch, 3-track analog protection copies, and those were used for almost all of the FSM CD. These reels got their analog-to-digital transfer at a sampling rate of 44.1 kHz / 24-bit. John Davis did the transfers in Dec 2008 on his MMR-8 digital recorder.

My guess is that LLL was able to use Disney's transfer of the 1-inch, 32-track session master. This would make the LLL KHAN more like THE BLACK HOLE, coming right off the first-generation 3M digital tape.

If not, then maybe the LLL has been remastered by going back to the half-inch analog reels and transferring them to digital at a higher sampling rate.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Pass. Retrograde sounds about as good as TWOK is going to get to my ears (just a bad recording in the first place), and I don't see the point of a second unneccesary disc.

Also wont fit in with the other discs that aren't TMP on my shelf probably.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

I get the feeling that La-La Land is very confident in this release due to the 10,000 unit size. Something is going on gosh darn it!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 7:03 PM   
 By:   Grack21   (Member)

Wonder if this is tied in to the new 4K HDR transfers at all.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 7:37 PM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

would also like to see the orchestra roster which was left off the FSM release

https://filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/431/Star-Trek-II-The-Wrath-of-Khan/

Orchestra rosters have since been added for this and many other scores to the actual FSM webpage for each score in question!


That's great, thank you!


I get the feeling that La-La Land is very confident in this release due to the 10,000 unit size. Something is going on gosh darn it!


This is indeed quite interesting.

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 7:53 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

would also like to see the orchestra roster which was left off the FSM release

https://filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/431/Star-Trek-II-The-Wrath-of-Khan/

Orchestra rosters have since been added for this and many other scores to the actual FSM webpage for each score in question!


That's great, thank you!


I get the feeling that La-La Land is very confident in this release due to the 10,000 unit size. Something is going on gosh darn it!


This is indeed quite interesting.


Disc two will be 80 minutes of Shatner yelling "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!"

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 9:38 PM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

I get the feeling that La-La Land is very confident in this release due to the 10,000 unit size. Something is going on gosh darn it!

Didn’t Roger or Doug from Intrada post somewhere that some rules had recently changed which would allow for larger quantities?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2021 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

I get the feeling that La-La Land is very confident in this release due to the 10,000 unit size. Something is going on gosh darn it!

Didn’t Roger or Doug from Intrada post somewhere that some rules had recently changed which would allow for larger quantities?


I feel like 10,000 is a misprint and it was supposed to be 1,000.

Most are releases generally are 1,000 and since WRATH OF KHAN already had a good-quality expanded release, they're probably assuming most of the people who bought that one are happy with that one and will be waffling. With the recent THE MATRIX and even SLEEPY HOLLOW, a good amount of people said "nah, I'm good" so while the film and soundtrack is popular, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not expecting TONS and TONS of demand.

 
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