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 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 9:48 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

To Kill a Mockingbird is a wonderful, beloved score. Long live Bernstein. Elmer Bernstein was 40 years old when he composed TKaMB. Hans Zimmer is 64 this year, the year both Dune and No Time to Die release. Age ain't nothing but a number. You are never too old to enjoy what you really appreciate in life.

nut_score, I never considered how young Bernstein was when he composed TKM. 40 is not old. As far as age, Williams is still composing. Morricone continued to compose all through his 80's.

Cheers Joan! Thanks. Been looking for an excuse to open a fine bottle of red

Haineshisway, appreciate and agree with your sage advice.

 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Well...its more about the fact that TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD is around for so long and available in various for me...its just not interesting to talk about another edition.The score is one of Elmers finest...but I didnt need a fourth or fifth release...

 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 10:57 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Looks like some of us are just TOO OLD for this FSM Board. Statistics don’t lie, and here is the proof.

In the last three days, we have had two topics about one of the most ICONIC, gorgeous, heart-rendering scores ever composed. That score is TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD by Elmer Bernstein. I think any member who thinks he or she is knowledgeable about film scores should “eventually” be cognizant of this score. (I say “eventually” for those who are really young and may actually someday journey back in time to hear renowned, celebrated scores.)

One TKM thread had 2, 027 views and one had 2,942 views. Sigh.

Now compare those numbers with two Zimmer threads in the last few days.

Dune topic had 21, 638 views.

No Time To Die had 266,110 views. I can’t believe it had that many views. (Maybe people just enjoyed the blood-letting on that topic.)

So, is it time for we old codgers (and you know who you are), to saddle up our walkers and wheelchairs and ride off into the sunset?

(Not me. I’m going to stick around to discover undiscovered past, present and future scores and to try to stamp out film score illiteracy, or I could keep hitting “view” on a topic 100,000 times.wink)

Joan, I am more than happy to wheel my walker right up beside yours! I've been secretly thrilled recently as my 34 year old son (erstwhile hip hop aficionado, YouTube reviewer of action video games and fan of world music) has begun saying things to me like, "Did you ever see a movie called 'Night of the Hunter'? I love that film!" and "I heard about an old western called 'Shane' that's supposed to be pretty good. Do you think I should see it?" It is perhaps too much to hope that this newly-arrived-at appreciation of vintage films will expand to an appreciation of the music that helped to make them great, but he'll be visiting at Christmas and I plan to start a subtle brainwashing campaign in that direction. Somehow I think that if those younger FSMers who are hearing about this old score for TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD, and are wondering what all the discussion is about, would spend the time to actually see the film (any library will have a DVD of it) and pay attention to the music and how it lifts the film (and plucks the heart-strings), then no more would need to be said.

 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 11:39 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

New films are always going to get more buzz than old films, even if the old films are way better.

That said, I met a guy who described himself as a James Bond aficionado who only watched Bond films from Goldeneye onwards. He told me he tried watching From Russia With Love once and found it boring, so never watched any of the older Bond films.

There are people out there now who will describe themselves as film music experts who have never heard To Kill A Mockingbird and probably never will.

Some of them will think anything less kinetic than a super-hero movie score is boring.

I don't understand how someone can think a Transformers films is better than, say, Vertigo, but the number that do can probably be counted in their millions.

Each new generation baffles the previous one.


 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 1:26 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

If it helps, my contributions to the new Bond movie thread haven’t been about the film itself but discussing the merits of the original series, which includes 1962’s DR. NO, which is coincidentally the same year TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD was released.

I’ve actually only seen that film once and I don’t remember a lot of music. I’m interested in the release, but it has been one of those threads that gets buried easily.

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 1:42 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

Glad to see you are an exception to my original post and I have no doubt there are more like you ,but you and those others are still in the minority. I keep thinking about how La La Land took a financial beating on their release of Dimitri Tiomkin's GIANT. That to me is sad. [Endquote]

Or how Lukas was so disenchanted with the sales of the FSM CD of THE GREAT SANTINI, another great, later piece of work from Elmer Bernstein.

Nice thread, Joan, I get your "drift"... !

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 1:43 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The reverse is often true too. Whenever there's a thread about a brand new score (that isn't necessarily a blockbuster), it gets pretty quiet from those who tend to exclusively listen to scores of their formative years, and before. So even more prevalent than the young-old spectrum, is the famous-not famous spectrum. So, for example, a great deal of threads about contemporary, less famous 'gems' have far less hits than the two MOCKINGBIRD threads.

Ultimately, it comes down to the degree to which one is willing to EXPLORE, or rather openness to various idioms and periods. Some people are content with one particular idiom (orchestral, electronic, whatever), some are content with the scores of their formative years, while others yet again are interested in all kinds of idioms and periods. The first two are more common here than the latter, is my experience.

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 1:53 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Well I'll be 71 in a few weeks & I'm going to hang around like a bad smell. It's not just music, but on the other board (which I now visit a lot more than this one) news of a new Blu-ray of a classic film will get almost no response, but that's fine, it reflects my life. I've never has friends & workmates who shared my love of films & film music & classical music & the more obscure pop music (although a lot people are getting on the Sparks wagon now).

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 2:19 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I think the pure view statistics are not necessarily representative of anything except what may be both current AND holds the most interest. I perfectly agree that TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD is a classic film score, it sure is among my favorite film scores as well, but it's pretty simple that NO TIME TO DIE and DUNE are two current blockbuster movies where lots of new information may be discussed/read/found out/dismissed/whatever.

I even have the old (AVA) recording of TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD on LP back from the 1980s, and it has always been among my favorite Elmer Bernstein scores, but obviously, I have read countless articles and posts about or concerning this score in one way or another over the years. There isn't all that much new to say about it. Heck, even the discussion about the later Varèse re-recording and the AVA recording or the OST is not something that I have not already done 20 years ago, probably here and on

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

Bless you joan. Last couple of years ive felt marginalised around here. The posters i like reading post less if ever and subjects that interest me most dwindle to nothing. Im not on the same planet as the star wars/star trek/superheroes obsessives and i dont wanna be teleported anywhere else. Lol.

Proud to be a miserable old bastard. 60 is the new 80. big grin

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)

The younger members on this board obsess over action movies,sci-fi and horror movies, comic book character movies and TV shows. I doubt very much whether a large percentage of them ever watch Turner Classic Movies. In short ,they know zilch about movies that were made before they were born.

Totally agree. And this applies to film lovers in general. I have many young friends who are really into movies, but anything pre 1990 is old. They are aware of course of classics like Star Wars and Back to the Future. But mention Hitchcock (they have heard of him but not seen any of his films) or any of the actors from the Studio System etc and they are blank faced and silent. I do however, have a few younger friends who have gone out of their way to watch the real classics of pre 1990 and are always asking for advice on what to watch. And it is great to get feedback from them on recommendations. Coincidentally, TKAMB is a film I recommended to one such friend just a few months ago and she loved it. The great thing about the FSM board is that people are still discussing stuff that isn't Zimmer and Goldsmith.......

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 2:52 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Definitely for this 'old codger' there's a lot to love from all time periods.
I love the old classics, have a lot of the scores discussed here but still find new things to find from FSM discussions.
On the other hand I love a lot of the new stuff that comes out as well and never feel its got to be 'either' 'or'.
A lot of discussions on here are just folk that like to argue the toss, whatever subject.
Under the banner of 'new' music there so much that doesn't even get mentioned because people just want to talk about Jerry Goldsmith, John Williams or how much they hate Hans Zimmer.
It also often seems to be so much about 'getting' the music released rather than the music itself. Look at all the threads of wish lists and how folks ultimate dream is to get score 'x' and then when score 'x' is released there's hardly any discussion about the actual music!
I've been around here for many many years but hope to still be as long as it continues. In the end of the day its good to read comments from folk that at least share your general interest as I'm sure for a lot of us out in the real world, their families and friends can't imagine why you'd want to listen to film music away from the movie. smile

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

You're only as old as the person you feel. Providing the person you feel is a 25 year old blonde! big grin

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 3:08 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

This Week on "Boomer Problems"...

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

I'm pretty much similar to what spook just said above.
I'm 56 at present and came into things with a love of the Silver Age and all things Williams, Goldsmith, Bernstein and Barry, which led into Horner, Poledouris, Broughton, Holdridge etc.
I've never been a big fan of the Golden Age sound though, even if I have mellowed a bit on it as I've gotten older.
That big, melodramatic '1001 strings' sound from the likes of Steiner, Waxman, Rozsa and Tiomkin has just never sat with me the way the 60's and beyond film score sound has.
Certain composers have helped me get into it a bit better (certainly Herrmann, Alfred Newman and Alex North in that respect) but I'll never like it as much as the more modern approach from the likes of Fielding, Small and Morricone.
But I can also enjoy the more modern, ambient sound that permeates most of today's scores.
Not all of it, though, and it's getting very old, very quickly too.
I think it's time for a new Thomas Newman or Hans Zimmer to bring in something fresh and new (even if it will probably be all that was old again).
People blame those two above (if that's the right word) for changing the way films are scored (TM & HZ).
And while a lot of that is probably true, I'd say it has more to do with the technology that came about, during the 90s and beyond, whereby people without much (or any) musical training, could sit at a computer and programme out a fully working film score, faster, cheaper and with less room for surprises for the director or producer.
If Newman and Zimmer hadn't been the ones to seize that trend, somebody else would have anyway.
I think we're always gonna prefer what/where we came in at, either composer, film or time-wise, and some people will be happy to explore and evolve and be open to something new, while others will not want to stray too far from their comfort zone.
It seems that when we had much less, we discussed much more.
Although it can sometimes be difficult for modern day fans to discuss their stuff without having to battle the trolls who only want to derail any chat about a new score with their hatred and antagonism.
Just some random thoughts.

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 3:28 AM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Wonder who's scoring?

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Proud to be a miserable old bastard. 60 is the new 80. big grin

You, a miserable old bastard? Never!!

big grin big grin

Love ya, buddy.


 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Hey, Joan ... 14+ years now ... smile ...

And I can honestly say I enjoy the score more and more, though the main theme is so wonderful the rest of the score struggles to keep up.

Incidentally, we revisited this subject in Oct 14 ...

This couldn't be a 7 year itch ... could it? smile

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   Amarok   (Member)

The younger members on this board obsess over action movies,sci-fi and horror movies, comic book character movies and TV shows. I doubt very much whether a large percentage of them ever watch Turner Classic Movies. In short ,they know zilch about movies that were made before they were born.

There are quite a few young contributors on Youtube reacting to films - including what we might call "Golden age" era i.e pre 1960's...I'm generally heartened by this as not only are these individuals exploring and appreciating the classics but it means many of their followers may also get the bug to search out films we all consider essential viewing in our lifetime.

Some even comment on the music :-D

 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   funkymonkeyjavajunky   (Member)

At 49yo, I am a Gen X, and been following this board for a decade. There were a bunch of releases in 2011 I wanted to pick up, but alas, limited disposable income. Anyway, I eventually tracked down all of the good stuff.

As much as I love the music of the 80's and 90's, I am finally beginning to appreciate earlier works. I have become disillusioned with most films from the last 10 years that seems to be reboots and nostalgia fests. Give me more of the original, creative stuff.


P.S. There is a record store in the Fremont neighborhood (Seattle, WA) whose owner has boxes of new/sealed soundtracks. Lots of Broughton, Bernstein, Morricone, etc.

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