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 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

As my nan used to say ' you're never far from an a***hole'. big grin

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I have the previous release of THE LAST STARFIGHTER, but as always, I'm happy to see great scores re-released and made available again for those who missed out previously.

However, I am a bit puzzled indeed as to how the first generation multi-track source tapes could stack up less against a 1/4 mixdown of the score? Wasn't the 1/4 mixdown done from these very tapes?

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Is there an ETA on this new release?

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 4:37 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



Seriously, The Last Starfighter is a score I'm glad is remaining in print. Seems to me the easiest thing to do would simply be to press more copies of exactly what you've already done. It certainly wasn't "wrong" in any way – there was no digital breakup or clicking or the like. You guys recognized that it could be improved, which is more work (and expense). We should appreciate that. I'm sorry (but not so surprised) to see some people being negative about your going the extra mile.


Exactly, that's exactly it. The previous release of THE LAST STARFIGHTER was already great, I did not notice anything "wrong" in any way either, but if Intrada decides to re-visit it and before re-releasing it, looking for ways to make it even better and/or tweak something or whatever, all the better. Now it's available again for everyone, and some people can decide to re-buy it once again if they feel like it, and others can be content that they already have a great sounding release. Intrada is very transparent about it.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Simon G   (Member)

Is there an ETA on this new release?

The week of the 9th, so next week.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

However, I am a bit puzzled indeed as to how the first generation multi-track source tapes could stack up less against a 1/4 mixdown of the score? Wasn't the 1/4 mixdown done from these very tapes?

The global dynamic range and the dynamics between the instruments within the orchestra were apparently altered during the remixing of the multi-track tapes for the previous edition.

A better mix with better dynamics and a better balance means a better, punchier and crisper sound.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Thierry Schreurs, can I ask you a few serious questions?

1) Do you believe that The Last Starfighter should be forever out of print? That is, do you believe that no new fans should ever be able to find and enjoy this score, that only the people who currently own it should be allowed to own it?

2) Do you believe that The Last Starfighter should remain available only in a presentation that was done in good faith but which Intrada has subsequently come to the conclusion could be made better? That is, it should forever remain less than it could be?

3) Do you believe that Intrada is "greedy" for spending the time and money to improve something that they could very easily simply repress as is?

4) Do you believe that a CD you may have enjoyed until this revelation is now somehow retroactively "ruined"?

If your answer to all these questions is "yes," I'm just perplexed.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

But one thing I've learned from several threads around here for a couple of days, that being transparent about our ideas and rationale isn't really worth it. It stirs up too much angst (and disappointing accusations that we're trying to bilk people even though our choices are creative, not economic). So much easier for me not to stir up the mud and I will take a page from our friends at Varese and just...button up! You folks are welcome to say whatever you want, but I don't want to be the one to instigate it!

Roger,

Please don't let a few vocal people discourage you or lead you to believe this is what the majority feel. We love the transparency and welcome every one of Intrada's releases. If it truly bugs them that much, they just won't buy those releases. Let them work through their issues.

In regard to The Last Starfighter, do I have the previous two releases? Yes. Was I expecting this? No. Will I be buying this release? I was at a stance of no before your post because I think the latest release was fantastic. I love this score. But, because of your post, I am going to purchase it anyway to support Intrada. I have done that in the past to support the other labels as well. That's my choice and I don't expect everyone else to jump in on my opinion. Everyone always says to vote with your wallet. Well, I am doing just that to show you my support.

Please keep the transparency and the releases coming.


Agreed, seems a few on here are making unfounded accusations or being purposely combative. They're free to voice their opinion but I don't think its the majority opinion. I already own the previous edition and have no issues with it, but if the music sounds "punchier" I just might triple dip!

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)


4) Do you believe that a CD you may have enjoyed until this revelation is now somehow retroactively "ruined"?





Nothing to do with retroactive. It's the future enjoyment that is the issue, thanks to the producer's own announcement that what they are listening to is now deemed to be "vastly" inferior.
We are being told the "back-in-stock" item will have "vastly superior sound" and is less "mushier". I can't see any reason for anyone with the out-of-stock pressing not to be disappointed after reading that.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

But there are now way too much reissues (not only at Intrada's), with too little improvement or expansion job to justify a rebuy...
and a great lack of film or TV scores premieres.

POLTERGEIST II 3 CD set, INCHON 3 CD set, THE SAND PEBBLES 2 CD set with alternate sequencing original overture and now this THE LAST STARFIGHTER !?

How many times do we have to revisit and rebuy the same thing



Maybe because they sell and it gives them the funds to do other things like premiers and expansions?
And you don't have to rebuy anything.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


4) Do you believe that a CD you may have enjoyed until this revelation is now somehow retroactively "ruined"?





Nothing to do with retroactive. It's the future enjoyment that is the issue, thanks to the producer's own announcement that what they are listening to is now deemed to be "vastly" inferior.


What do your ears say? If it was fine before it's still fine now.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   prowler5150   (Member)

Roger says


So we've reverted to the 1/4" masters and did a high res transfer to work from. It's never sounded better.


Is a digital release in lossless high resolution (24/96, 24/192) possible?

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I can't imagine that the same label is behind a highly creative gesture as the BLACK PATCH/THE MAN rerecording...and this THE LAST STARFIGHTER unnecessary and greedy reissue.

That's a bit much, isn't it?

This is a case where I don't have it. And if they didn't do a re-issue then I'm SOL.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'm almost of a mind that anyone who calls a label greedy like this, should be blocked from purchasing directly from the label for at least a year.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

There is no "definitive" edition of anything, there are different editions. Any good record label tries to do the best release possible at the time... and a few years later, technology may be advanced, different mastertapes may have been found, somebody has re-thought the presentation and decides to edit cues differently, add a bonus track, whatever. That is how things should be too, it's organic, it's growth. There is NO reason to buy and re-buy every single new release. Heck, I don't buy most of them, there is not much point for me to buy another release again just because there may be some minute improvement. Even if there is some minute improvement. (What the heck, sometimes I do it anyway, even if the differences are slight, but that's my business, and I usually only do it for releases that are die-hard dear to me.)

I am perfectly happy with my current THE LAST STARFIGHTER release, it sounds great, plays great, booklet great... Intrada did a great job. So what if this new release may be even slightly better? I don't see my purpose in life is to own the latest newest remaster of every recording I enjoy.
I think it's great if scores like THE LAST STARFIGHTER remains in print, and it's even greater if with every new release a label finds something to improve. I cannot understand how or why somebody could have problem with that. Either you are happy with the current release, than there is NO reason to re-buy it again, or you are not happy with it, than you should be happy to get the opportunity to buy an even better release. But why shouldn't Intrada tweak a re-release to make it even better if they can? I'm very happy if they keep doing that and I'm very happy if they sell a lot of it.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

To be honest I hated the last release from its first spin. It just sounded wrong. Pinched and lifeless. I actually wondered if my speakers were on the way out. Reverting back to the sound of the 2nd CD release, with the content and packaging of the 3rd is probably the best this score will get. 4th time lucky?

You still need the 1st, of course, for the Safan-penned songs.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   May 4, 2022 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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