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 Posted:   May 9, 2022 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

One of my top 5 favorite Goldsmith scores, and for me it's the greatest film he ever scored. This sounds like a wonderful upgrade. The samples are stunning. Excellent release!!

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2022 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I don't think that we should use hyperbole with this release, and please don't expect a perfectly balanced stereo image here, it's mono and comes from the same stems....

It's the hyperbole against the last release. It wasn't terrible, regardless of how big an upgrade this is. Now if this was an expanded complete THE OTHER....

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2022 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

I might buy the LP?

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 5:30 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

I don't think that we should use hyperbole with this release, and please don't expect a perfectly balanced stereo image here, it's mono and comes from the same stems. The LLL CD was 13 years ago! and it was wonderful then, and a holy grail that we were all waiting for. This is just an update of the long out-of-print album using new technology that Chris has worked hard, as any other label working with any of the wonderful sound engineers and producers around that we all know could have done.

Jose


You seem to be a class act, sir.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

That first cover art is wicked in a good sense!
Not a big fan of the score though..but great release nevertheless!
Maybe I need to spin it once more ....

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

What you need to do is see the film, moolik. Then the score will click for you as the masterpiece it is. It’s on Criterion and also streaming on Paramount+ I think.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I just listened to it on YouTube for the first time. A masterpiece? Its a light score with strings. It's "nice", but hardly a masterpiece.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 7:15 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Sigh. Again, this was written for a film. I think it’s a masterpiece of film scoring and perhaps if you actually experience it in the film it was written for, you’ll agree. I wasn’t saying it was one of the most enjoyable album listens. smile

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I think Goldsmith's cold, gloomy, almost depressing score fits the cold, gloomy depressing film like a glove.
It is a very powerful and evocative soundtrack.
But it's not one I return to often, and that has nothing to do with the LLL presentation of it.
I listened to the music often enough, via my 'taped off the telly' copy many years prior.
It's just sterile mood music that I have to really be in the mood for, to want to play it.
And that hasn't been very often during these past years.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

That first cover art is wicked in a good sense!


Not as good as the Criterion blu-ray cover though.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Irwin Bazelon covers the film and score well in his (much-maligned) book "Knowing the Score". I just had another read over what he says about the score and film and it has made me look forward more than ever to the new CD. His description of image and music for the End Titles brought back the vivid memory of just how haunting that combination is, and it's been about thirty-five years since I've seen the film.

I actually love listening to bizarre, gloomy and depressing scores, but only if they're done with the audacity and insight with which Goldsmith created SECONDS.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Gloomy? Depressing? Cold? I'm in.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I adore the brittle "love theme" from this SO much. I wouldn't call it "sterile" in the least. It's heartbreaking, really.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Hi Yavar..sure..I wanted to watch the movie for a long time but never got a hold on it.Will definetly check it out ...and yes It has to be in context with the movie for sure...I can see why it will work great.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I was fortunate enough to see Seconds for the first time *in theater* almost two decades ago (my how time flies), in film class during the year I spent at USC. Jerry Goldsmith wasn't even my favorite composer at the time...he was probably top 5. And I went into the film blind. I didn't even know who had written the score.

It blew me away. One of the greatest experiences I've ever had seeing a film in theater. It was powerful, upsetting, surprising... a real gut punch. And the score was exactly what the film needed.

Now having explored Goldsmith's work further, I can see that the score was an outgrowth of sorts of his work on Thriller... just bigger and even better. And I love how sometimes he plays like a dark sibling to The Artist Who Did Not Want to Paint (my single favorite Goldsmith work, from around the same time) -- those haunting string trills in particular!

After you have a chance to see the film and experience the score in context, moolik, I'd be very curious to learn what you think of both.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Startling enough are the Saul Bass credits. Those distorted facial images with Goldsmith's bone-chilling music. I love how it's almost "Renaissance" music. Ah! Now it has just clicked!

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

What does "Keep Rockin'" refer to?

Does the source music of the bacchanal sequence (the flutes and chanting during the grape-stomping "orgy") appear anywhere on this new disc?

This is a tremendously eerie and haunting score. For anyone not certain about getting this, don't be!

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Startling enough are the Saul Bass credits. Those distorted facial images with Goldsmith's bone-chilling music. I love how it's almost "Renaissance" music. Ah! Now it has just clicked!

Actually Graham, it's closer to Baroque music. But I wish it were "Renaissance" so that it would fit in with my theory of Jerry picking up on the "rebirth" subject matter of the film.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   jkruppa   (Member)

Irwin Bazelon covers the film and score well in his (much-maligned) book "Knowing the Score". I just had another read over what he says about the score and film and it has made me look forward more than ever to the new CD. His description of image and music for the End Titles brought back the vivid memory of just how haunting that combination is, and it's been about thirty-five years since I've seen the film.

I actually love listening to bizarre, gloomy and depressing scores, but only if they're done with the audacity and insight with which Goldsmith created SECONDS.


The icier the better. I hear a lot of arctic-sounding flautando strings in scores these days (I blame Spitfire Audio and Christian Henson, who seems to be obsessed with that sound), but the strange sonorities of Goldsmith at his best, and so many other atonal scores of the 60s and 70s, rely upon combinations of instruments and dissonant chords for their effect. I can't get enough of that stuff. It's so absolutely satisfying.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

What does "Keep Rockin'" refer to?

Does the source music of the bacchanal sequence (the flutes and chanting during the grape-stomping "orgy") appear anywhere on this new disc?

This is a tremendously eerie and haunting score. For anyone not certain about getting this, don't be!


"Keep Rockin'" and "Cleanup" are by Jimmie Haskell, originally written for the 1961 film Love in a Goldfish Bowl.

The bacchanal source music, which is a rough rendition of "What Do We Do With a Drunken Sailor," is not on the disc. (Unlike the house party source music, it has nothing to do with Goldsmith as he neither wrote nor recorded it.)

 
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